I was thinking today about the Challanger class vessel and I had this thought: Why can't there be 2 Challanger Classes? One could be the one that is based off the Galaxy, and the other could be the one of the original Challanger from ST6. It might also be possible that one challanger was built for a battle scene in ST6 but never used and when they thought about using it for Best of Both Worlds they desided it looked to old. John
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Posted by Akula (Member # 319) on :
oops that should be Challenger!!!! sorry!! John
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Mostly because it would be confusing, and one of the aims of Trek speculation is to decrease the general level of confusion.
If you had more than one class w/ the same name, there wouldn't be any reason to have class names. The point of them is that you can say a ship is such-and-such class, and someone knows exactly what type of ship it is. Not, "Now, is that the 2270s such-and-such class, or the 2370s such-and-such class?".
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Posted by Fructose (Member # 309) on :
They reuse class names today, don't they? And it wouldn't be confusing to people in the 2370s about which class they are talking about. Airplane names are resued in the Air Force all the time. Even the numbers. It wouldn't much of a stretch at all if you ask me.
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Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
The US Defense Department reuses names, usually after all the planes of the original type are out of service. Even then they usually add a number. Examples are the Thunderbolt II, Phantom II, Globemaster II, Corsair II, and Avenger II. Most of the originals were of WWII or early-postwar vintage. As far as numbers, the US military changed it's numbering system for planes in the 1960s. The navy's system used to incorporate both the manufacturer and the plane type, whereas the Air Force used a system similar to the present system. The numbers seemed to go back to 1 for all types with the new system.
I think the British don't reuse plane names. Numbers added usually indicate different models of the same plane, like Spitfire XX. US warships are never given the name of another ship still in service. The original has to be renamed, destroyed, sold, scrapped, retired, or something similar. Numbers aren't added to the names, as far as I know.
Of course, George Foreman named all his sons "George Foreman," without numbers even, but you have to admit that would be pretty confusing.
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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
You can find enough kooky real world examples to justify almost any naming scheme, if that's your goal. But generally, we try to keep the kookiness at a minimum. After all, there appears to be no shortage of the stuff.
My question is "Why would we need two Challenger classes?" Only one is suggested in the Encyclopedia, and we have not yet any screen evidence.
I could understand if there were a similar question about the infamous Antares(es).
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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Battle in Star Trek: VI!?!?!?!?!?!?!
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Posted by Matrix (Member # 376) on :
Well in the Navy names are used over and even class names. One comes to mind: King George V of World War 1 and King George V of World War II. The earlier onehad I think 10 13" guns and the newer version had the 10 14". These two classes were seperately built ina time frame of 20 years. So thge later is not a improvement over the other.
For the US Navy the first South Dakota class was supposed to be built during the 1920's and to be the ultimate battleship. However due to the Washington treaty, it was scraped. But the used the name again for the "Treaty" battleships of 35,000 tons. Ultimaely this class was the best "Treaty" battleship.
Yes it is possible to have two different Challengers but just in different times that's all.
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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
I actually like the SD-class better than the Iowa, for various reasons. Do you know any good sites, except "Warships Of The World"?
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Posted by Alpha Centauri (Member # 338) on :
In the first place, Akula, there is zero evidence that the Challenger from the Operation:Retrieve chart was of a seperate class. Just speculation.
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Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
Quote: Battle in Star Trek: VI!?!?!?!?!?!?!
Yeah, I was wondering about that too. Akula, do you mean the battle between Chang's BoP and the Enterprise near the end of the movie? If I recall correctly, the Excelsior came to help. Why would some other ship come in out of the blue to help as well? Furthermore, why would the modelmakers waste time and money building a brand new model just to have it shown for about five seconds?
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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
No Challenger was built for ST6. It was just a name tossed onto a chart as filler.
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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Ahhhhhh Operation: Retrieve!?!
Does anyone have a picture of that chart!?!
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Then how do you know what was on it? Was this in some magazine or did someone screwed around with their VCRs?
Nimrod, not really there are a couple specialized sites on the web that deals with the US Navy, battleships, subs etc. Yes, I like the SD too. I think its cute.
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Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :
I'm not sure, was it on the Retrieve (paper) chart (a scene which I have never seen) or on a computer display?
Anyway, why should the USS Challenger listed there be a prototype ship? It might be just another Constitution or Miranda.
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Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :
I believe Frank informed me that someone saw the actual chart and got the names from it.
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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
It was a paper chart. And I believe someone who was writing a Trek reference book got the names off the actual chart and put them in the book. I don't know which one it was, though...
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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :
It was Bjo Trimble's Star Trek Concordance.
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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Maybe someone could ask Mike Okuda to put it in his book... or just show us a piccy!
Andrew
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