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"Ah, the Luftwaffe. The Washington Generals of the History Channel."
-Homer Simpson
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"Ah, the Luftwaffe. The Washington Generals of the History Channel."
-Homer Simpson
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[Bart's looking for his dog.]
Groundskeeper Willy: Yeah, I bought your mutt - and I 'ate 'im! [Bart gasps.] I 'ate 'is little face, I 'ate 'is guts, and I 'ate the way 'e's always barkin'! So I gave 'im to the church.
Bart: Ohhh, I see... you HATE him, so you gave him to the church.
Groundskeeper Willy: Aye. I also 'ate the mess he left on me rug. [Bart stares.] Ya heard me!
Mark
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"Why build one when you can build two, at twice the price?"
- Carl Sagan, "Contact"
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[Bart's looking for his dog.]
Groundskeeper Willy: Yeah, I bought your mutt - and I 'ate 'im! [Bart gasps.] I 'ate 'is little face, I 'ate 'is guts, and I 'ate the way 'e's always barkin'! So I gave 'im to the church.
Bart: Ohhh, I see... you HATE him, so you gave him to the church.
Groundskeeper Willy: Aye. I also 'ate the mess he left on me rug. [Bart stares.] Ya heard me!
First of all, thanks for buying the calendar in the first place and we're honored that you like it enough (at least we think you liked it) to give it it's own thread.
The mysterious "Bodune" is actually the "Bonchune," named after Rob Bonchune, my co-author and creator of the CG Nebula-class ship model. The mix of names and registries was accidental at first, but after we caught it we decided to leave it in and see if anyone else noticed. Boy, did they notice! Although I admit I like the idea that the ship was pieced together out spare parts as a result of the delapitated state the fleet was in after W359.
The number of the Exclesior-class ship in the UP shot is 42111.
As far as some of the pictures looking too CG, all I can say is we hope you think the 2002 Calendar is an improvement. We think it is. Expect the new calendar to be more artistic, however, with more 'wow that's pretty' shots than ships-against-space images.
The 'Unseen Frontier' book is being put off until next year (for the 2002 holiday season), mainly so we can put the extra time into it that it needs. It will NOT be a re-hash of old images, but a full size, hard cover book of images similar to what you see in the calendars.
However, there WILL be a book we are contributing ship images to in the meantime, although I can't tell you much more than that just yet. Suffice it to say that I know folks in this forum will like it a whole bunch!
Regards,
Mojo
Creator/co-author
"Ships of the Line" series
And how in God's name could the word "Bonchune" fit on there?
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"No, 3 & 6 are mandatory, so you only have to do them if you want"
Alex, fellow classmate, trying to explain an assignment (2/2/01)
I'm an owner of the 2001 calendar... And I'm certainy looking forward to the 2002 edition. Care to give us a hint of what to expect? If you want a two-word term to describe what most fans would love to have in the next calendar, I believe "fleet battles" covers it nicely.
Mark
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"Why build one, when you can have two at twice the price?"
- Carl Sagan, "Contact"
[This message has been edited by Mark Nguyen (edited March 09, 2001).]
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Faster than light - no left or right.
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"Second star to the right, and then straight on till morning."
I mean, first some legendary FASA-type guy suddenly appears, now we've allegedly got someone who creates offical Paramount merchandise. What next? A guy who works on FX for Paramount, who says he named the Sentinel after Adam Heinbuch's design?
So, before you all drop to your knees and start giving adoring blowjobs to these individuals, how about we see some credentials?
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Ross: This is not good for my rage. *takes another pill*
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"Yar, a lesbian? That girl had a sex drive! First, Data in Naked Now, then, in
Hide and Q, she hits on Picard! "Oh, if only you weren't the captain..." God! If
Denise Crosby hadn't left the series, she'd've slept with the entire senior staff by
now!" Jeff Kardde - March 7, 2001
ILM? Digital Muse? It was covered in the 'Star Trek Monthly' issue that had Odo on the cover - NOT Issue 11, but 17 or 18 (before the 10th Anniversary issue for TNG). Anyone go do a quick check?
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At that point, McDonald fired his gun three times in the air to emphasize his point. The crowd, estimated at 350,000, loudly cheered the new candidate.
"Let me make this clear: I am the law! I am your ruler! And you will have fries with that, motherf*cker!"
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You can't kill me, I'm charming!
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"...I know this board in secret, intimate ways which are beyond your comprehension.... Let's just say that people should *not* be telling me what to do; it should always be the other way around."
-"Red Quacker", conspiracy theorist and contemporary lunatic
Well, given my new expertise in search engines, I did a few tests, and it's likely he could have found this thread there - type "Ships of the Line calendar" into Google and it comes up fourth.
(Interesting story, by the way. My company is paying to have its name boosted in search engine rankings. This has turned up some interesting results,like an old, old thread here where I complained about working there. Thankfully CC agreed to delete it! But best of all: without paying a cent - well, penny - my own website comes top of the Google search when you type in "Phasers" and I never even submitted it there! I brought THAT up at a meeting where they reviewed the results, it was worth it just so see their reactions. They've paid �7000 so far. . .)
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Ross: This is not good for my rage. *takes another pill*
What's paranoia shared by two persons called?
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"I WANT A POST VOY SERIES STAR TREK ORIGINAL MESSAGE WAS LOOKING FORWARD NOT LOOKING BACK."
-Darkstar
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You know, you really should keep a personal log. Why bore others needlessly?
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"I WANT A POST VOY SERIES STAR TREK ORIGINAL MESSAGE WAS LOOKING FORWARD NOT LOOKING BACK."
-Darkstar
And anyway, "big shots" was just an expression for those who are involved in the show, rather than us fans.
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You know, you really should keep a personal log. Why bore others needlessly?
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[Bart's looking for his dog.]
Groundskeeper Willy: Yeah, I bought your mutt - and I 'ate 'im! [Bart gasps.] I 'ate 'is little face, I 'ate 'is guts, and I 'ate the way 'e's always barkin'! So I gave 'im to the church.
Bart: Ohhh, I see... you HATE him, so you gave him to the church.
Groundskeeper Willy: Aye. I also 'ate the mess he left on me rug. [Bart stares.] Ya heard me!
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I will shout until they know what I mean.
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Neutral Milk Hotel
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Read three (three!) chapters of "Dirk Tungsten in...The Disappearing Planet"! Then, go insane!
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Ross: This is not good for my rage. *takes another pill*
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Kryten: Pub? - Ah yes. A meeting place where people attempt to achieve
advanced states of mental incompetence by the repeated consumption of
fermented vegetable drinks. - Red Dwarf "Timeslides"
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To know a thing well, know its limits. Only when pushed beyond its tolerances will true nature be seen.
The Amtal Rule (Dune)
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"...I know this board in secret, intimate ways which are beyond your comprehension.... Let's just say that people should *not* be telling me what to do; it should always be the other way around."
-"Red Quacker", conspiracy theorist and contemporary lunatic
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At that point, McDonald fired his gun three times in the air to emphasize his point. The crowd, estimated at 350,000, loudly cheered the new candidate.
"Let me make this clear: I am the law! I am your ruler! And you will have fries with that, motherf*cker!"
And behold, yes, it's actually me, Austin Powers himself, as in Dr. Evil...
No but seriously, I wouldn't mind either if Mojo posted again, even if it's just to tell us off for not believing him.
On the other hand, what's the big deal anyway? I say let's concentrate on the "real" topics of our threads.
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Kryten: Pub? - Ah yes. A meeting place where people attempt to achieve
advanced states of mental incompetence by the repeated consumption of
fermented vegetable drinks. - Red Dwarf "Timeslides"
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"I WANT A POST VOY SERIES STAR TREK ORIGINAL MESSAGE WAS LOOKING FORWARD NOT LOOKING BACK."
-Darkstar
Mark -->NGUYEN<--
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"Why build one, when you can have two at twice the price?"
- Carl Sagan, "Contact"
Does anyone know what this book coming out in Winter 2001/2002 will actually be about?
Just pretty pictures or more, say like...facts, ship history, etc...
Just hope it doesn't turn into the DS9TM Ship Section fiasco...(shudder!)
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Ace
"Objects in mirror are closer than they appear."
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Ross: This is not good for my rage. *takes another pill*
In any case, I'm glad I could start an argument :-)
The name "Bonchune" was not used in the show - we are always given names and registry numbers for what appears on the air. Since it was such a hard-to-see part of the ship in the calendar image, Rob thought he would give himself an 'on-screen' credit for building the model of the ship (even if he was the only one that really knew what it was there).
The 2001 book will be very, very starship oriented. That's about all I think I should say for now.
As far as the 2002 calendar goes, as I said, this one is more artsy. The idea behind it is that Starfleet has hired real photographers to take pictures of starships. The cover and centerfold are in black & white. There is a silouette shot of the Borg Unicomplex. The photos concentrate more on the art of the picture itself as opposed to focusing on the details of the ship. I'm excited about this because we've portrayed the subjects in a serious, artistic light and not just done another round of pretty spaceship pictures. As far as I know, this has never been done before and I am keeping my fingers crossed that everyone likes this new concept.
Oh, and this calendar also features the movie Enterprise, which was absent from the first one since the model wasn't quite finished yet!
I think that answers everything... I'll check back soon.
Regards,
Mojo
Vogin Poet:
Who is the ex-FASA guy?
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Faster than light - no left or right.
Amazon also says that the new calendar will ship in 4 months: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0743422864/ref=pd_sbs_b_1/102-8088520-4946511 You can even preorder.
I may be mistaken, but I think the ex-FASA guy was supposed to be you!
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When you're in the Sol system, come visit the Starfleet Museum
)I'm sure you hear this a lot, but your work is certainly impressive, in all its forms! (Just curious here -- did you work on the "Babylon 5" pilot back in 1993? I was wondering because it was on the SCI-FI tonight, and the improvements in CGI in just six years or so is amazing.)
I look forward to these new ship-oriented projects with great anticipation!
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You know, you really should keep a personal log. Why bore others needlessly?
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Not even a god can deny that I have squared the circle of a static Earth and cubed the Earth sphere by rotating it once to a dynamic Time or Life Cube.
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Gene Ray
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Read three (three!) chapters of "Dirk Tungsten in...The Disappearing Planet" Or don't. You know, whatever.
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"Why build one, when you can have two at twice the price?"
- Carl Sagan, "Contact"
"You get what you pay for."
Really? I take it you haven't seen "Severed Dreams" or Shadow Dancing," among others.
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You know, you really should keep a personal log. Why bore others needlessly?
The Gigantic Collection of Star Trek Minutiae
"Get the HELL out of this thread!"
(sorry, couldn't resist...)
Anyway, just to swing the topic back to niggling our good new Foundation Imaging friend for insider info before dumping his drained corpse in a ditch somewhere, care to elaborate a teensy bit on the book? Y'know, the book you referred to earlier about not saying anything about. This book? About which this was written?
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"People have the right to discriminate based on religion."
-Omega, Jan 26
"There is no "seperation of church and state" in the Constitution"
-Omega, Jan 30
"A private business has the right to refuse service to any person or group, be they KKK, black, gay, or neo-nazi, regardless of reason."
-Omega, Feb 24
However, in terms of sheer quality of CGI stuff, Trek has the competition beat hands down IMHO. B5 effects have never been able to convince me that the ships are close to being realistic-looking as models. By the end of "Crusade", stuff was looking much better than the first season, but still nowhere near the quality of the CGI models they have in Trek.
Mark
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"Why build one, when you can have two at twice the price?"
- Carl Sagan, "Contact"
B5 does absolutely look dated, but keep in mind that was our maiden voyage into digital effects; for that matter, it was the first time ANYONE had done that, so we had to write the book as we were going.
Star Trek looks better not because they have more money, but because we had improved greatly as artists during those initial 3 and a half years (Foundation only did the FX for B5 from the pilot to the end of the 3rd season). By the end of the first year of B5 we learned so much that we could have gone back and rebuilt all the models and made them look ten times better, but there simply wasn't the time for that on our schedule.
Doing something like "Severed Dreams" is still a major highlight for me personally (I storyboarded and directed the battle sequence), since we had a creative freedom on B5 that few companies ever enjoy. Star Trek, on the other hand, has a long legacy that must be matched and adhered to. Trek also has their own visual effects supervisors that insure our work is consistant with the Star Trek universe and who also bring their own expertise to the process.
They are very different beasts, and thusly have different results.
And no, at the moment I can't tell you any more about the upcoming book. However, I'm sure that will change relatively soon as Pocket Books decides to release details.
People here have specifically said they would like to see more fleet combat envisioned in Star Trek, and that is the sort of thing we will be focusing on in the "Unseen Frontier" book, which is coming in 2002.
More on that when I have some time!
Regards,
Mojo
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Anyway, that's an interesting B5 vs. Trek thing - that you had more creative freedom on the former (and look at the results). I stand humbled.
Mark
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"Why build one, when you can have two at twice the price?"
- Carl Sagan, "Contact"
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Ian Hughes
Mojo, I think I met you several years back at a Shore Leave or Farpoint con in Baltimore. I was but a wee one back then, I could be wrong. I was at the Con with Dennis Bailey, and his son Russ.
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"Oh, yes, screw logic, let's go for a theory with no evidence!"
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And homeschooling also turns you into a socially well-adjusted person, capable of talking to people without them wanting to ram a f***ing chair down your throat! - PsyLiam, 3/11/01
It's a large difference. When the battle was raging in SofA, I was thinking "wow, that looks really cool!". When the Starfuries were shooting at each other in "Severed Dreams", I was thinking "wow, the shit's really hit the fan here".
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You know, when Comedy Central asked us to do a Thanksgiving episode, the first thought that went through my mind was, "Boy, I'd like to have sex with Jennifer Aniston."
-Trey Parker, co-creator of South Park
Please, PLEASE - when you have time - look over our discussions, because - with out blowing our own trumpet... we have a lot of the facts about Trek ships... nicely covered.
just a few things... Why weren't the First Contact ships as seen in DS9 improved... for more 'beauty' shots...
Why don't we get to see more 'beauty' shots of Ships... like we did of the E-D in Trek.
Why can't lighting be more 'realistic' in the CGI effects... i.e. the windows aren't just white... and the hull plating looks well repeated... its like its not something 'real'... but of course it still looks pretty good.
Do you have any info on the strange ships at the Start of A Time to Stand.
I feel that Trek ships (well the older designs) look more 'realistic' because they were originally physical models, and not just something made in a computer - hey I think the B5 effects were lovely... but having ships 'organic' seemed like a way to overcome the suspension of believe... that these were physical ships... or something
do you know what I mean?
Reguarding 'physical detail'... some examples from the Ships of the Line calendar were things like the Romulan War Birds... their hulls just seemed to be a 'smooth as a baby's bottom' making them look fake...
What was with the scaling of the UP ships... in the space docks. The Sabres were in space docks as big as the Galaxy class ships were...
Just about 'realism' the space dock on the very front cover... the Galaxy there looks nice and real (is tha tthe Challenger?) (except for the nacelle grills which just looked like alternating blue lines... there was not 'glow'... the glow from the nacelles didn't even interact with the surrounding hull... but with the spacedock... examples of 'fakness' is the structure directly above the bridge... it looks VERY fake - very "I made this from a few lines and then repeated a brown pattern over it" Also the curved lines of say the tubing on the spacedock... you can see the straight lines like its not a circular object but a many-sided polygon. Maybe there needs to be some fuzziness of perspective for distance?? I really don't know how to fix it - just what I see... but of course its nice.
The E-nil looks FAKE over the earth... like it is too crisp? or it looks like a plastic toy?? The first time I saw realism in the original Enterprise was with the E-nil from "Trials and Tribbl-ations" Its as if the ships lighting doesn't match the lighting from the sun... and that there is no blue light hitting the Enterprise from the Earth?? Again, with the lights... Its just a little complaint I have with CGI, and lighting - especially white light... is there anyway - of keeping it white... because we never really could see in those windows during TOS, but making them NOT look like they are just circles of white - like someone has put the erase brush over the picture... I know there is a little light haze/glow - but it still doesn't look like and actual light emerging from within the hull, but just a white gap in the picture...
I CAN say - I *LOVE* the Bussard Collectors on that TOS Enterprise picture... they are very realistic... the look like something you could touch (actually they look a lil bit more 'real' than the Galaxy's on the cover)
Again changing subjects - looking at the E-nil there... is it the 'all too perfect' lines of the model that make it look fake?? - anyone?
The Enterprise-E pic is lovely... but I have 2 problems... ok 3.
1. there is no real glow off the bussard collectors. (is it the sharp line, again, between light and dark (bussard and hull) areas?)
I've noticed this more since Insurrection... the hull plating on the EE... I can't seem to put my finger on it, but is it that - ok fair enough there are differences in reflections in different plates - but every second plate is not going to reflect light at the same brightness etc?? It looks a little to patterny?? Like someone has just got a paintcan and pressed 'fill with pattern' (of course you didn't but... you know what I mean)
Oh one last thing about the E-E is that YEAH! there are things inside the windows... but, well - again with the complete cut from light (the windows) to dark (the surrounding hull) shouldn't there be some more smoother transition?? not exactly a glow - because well, there is no atmosphere, but the lights not jsut going 'light->dark'????
The next picture... an inner ring shot of the Defiant and DS9.
1. DS9 is nice, but the lights on the inner surface of the outer (docking) ring aren't the correct shape - as to what is on the physical DS9 model. The hull plating looks too smooth, especially when in so close... I mainly talking about the cross over bridge in the bottom right and the inner surface of the docking ring again. But Beautiful again...
The Defiant looks lovely... EXCEPT! The deflector 'nose' is a different shape to the physical model - go to www.maximumdefiant.com - i think that's it - it has a lot of pics on the defiant...
Also, the bussard collector again - its so BRIGHT but there is not much throw-back light onto the surrounding hull... I think the word might be contrast?? Is that it??
The hull looks nice... but a little more detail, being this close would have been nice. VERY REAL though... it looks as if you could run your hand across the hull. But, well just a tad more detail wouldn't make it look as if you could just pick it up and it would fit in your hand... the distance from the 'observer' would be at least a 100m.
The Voyager, PERFECT! LOVE IT! Very real... looks like I could stand on the 'flight deck'
2 tiny points... 1. the red glow from the little holes on the impulse engines... again to 'different' in contrast... but the bussards are PERFECT this time... also the aft torpedo launchers could do with a tad more detail - they look a bit 'fake' compared to the rest of the hull.
I think the point I'm trying to work out about a lot of CGI hulls, is that they have to have a feel of randomness to them. Physical models work because well, the fibreglass - or plastic or what ever - sets in the mould - randomly... but a lot of CGI hulls have this 'perfect finish' which just never exists... except on the majority of the hull on this pic of the Voyager... its RIGHT!
The NEBULA CLASS!
dah dah daaaaah.
The saucer - nice
the nacelle grills - nice glow - but again just the 'lines'
I have BIG problems with the pod pylon (there's that hull fakeness again) (just the bit that is in the light and down near the 'rolla door' shuttle bay...
and the NASTY looking thing here is the phaser strip on the nacelle pylon... there is NO detail on it... actually and the phaser circular strip on the saucer... it has NO detail. The Galaxy and Nebula physical models do... they have little individual 'notches' which are the phaser BANKS... but on here and on the front Galaxy the strips are just grey lines... nothing else! ARRRRGH. they look really dodgey...
Oh and the 'bits and pieces' naming of the hull you did mention... but the "Bogue" or what ever looks a lot - to me like B-O-D-U-E... there is no crossbar on the 'G'.
The Klingon ships are lovely, but I think its the atmosphere that 'fuzzes' things up - giving a realism. Again though with the lighting contrast... the 'spotlights' on the 'wings' and the red 'engine glow' are TOO bright for the rest of the ship... I'm sure its a contrast thing...
If you're doing an 'art' type of book... for the next release... PLEASE do something about your landscapes...
ARRRRGH the 'rocks' on the Klingon picture look REALLY fake... like you'd just whipped them up in Bryce. Rocks have a fractal appearance... the closer you look they look the same... these 'rocks' have too many straight edges and repeating patterns. Has anyone seen the HORRIBLE new covers to the Kim Stanley Robinson Mars Trilogy yet? the lovely paintings have been done away with fake looking CGI...
Utopia Planitia...
1. Where have the 'dumbell' stations gone that were in the episode "Relativity"? the Space docks here look WAY to - fake... all those little white dots... for windows... no reflective glow from Mars... the one in the distance just looks so unrealistic.... like a big mass of polygons instead of a real structure...
The hull of those Steamrunners 'without bussard collectors' fine - they're being built? but no 'hull' plating would have those enormous big dark and light lines - another "tesselation" - how DOES that work? Plus, why would you put hull plating over the area a nacelle would go through?
Again, I'd just like to reapproach the topic of the smaller ships being in space docks and fitting EXACTLY the same as giant Galaxy class ships?? OK, they can be modular, but the WINDOWS would be too and it'd look quite strange?
The Borg pic is nice, but the Voyager hull looks too flat - no detail in this one?? Is it too bright a light??
Prometheus! FANTASTIC!
probs:
1. the nacelle grills could be a little bit more 'physical' but there is a nice glow.
2. the grey blocks on the nacelle pylons and 'shuttle deck' look very fake - they just look like someone has come along and stuck squares on... no physicality.
3. the pennant on the nacelles... isn't his a paint job on all the other ships... it looks to be etched in... and the {circle" behind the Starfleet Delta - is very polygonal.)
4. A good example of that 'hull repitition' with the tops and bottoms of the nacelles... there might be variation in the nacelle - but it is still perfectly flat - with perfectly straight lines... even the 'stretch marks!?!' look too perfect?
LOVELY LOVELY LOVELY picture though.
The Chaffee - sublime!
The Romulan ships again...
1. The hull I've mentioned - its too flat and no detail.
2.The top or 'crest' of the 'head' of the warbird against space... again, instead of a smooth round surface - we see that 'polygonal' several straight lines thing.
3. Those two giant lights on the underside of the top part of the warbird... its GOTTA be a contrast thing - but they stand out like bright blobs of white light... against the rest of the ship - and on each of the ships...
when you look at a light - there is usually a covering etc... this gives the light a LITTLE bit of texture... not just flat, white.
It reall does tick out.
Oh and something not really important... When repeating ships... why not alter each one slightly - you're using CGI after all... turn different lights on, on each ship... the 'bussard' glow in each ship is EXACTLY the same - what are the chances of that happening in nature...
Voyager from "Timeless"
nothing at ALL to say about the ship...
but the LANDSCAPE ERRRRRRGH! its ssooooooooooo fake...
those cracks and ridges... look so CGI... and those distant mountain peaks... look very cartoonish.
PHEW!
Now I HOPE that doesn't scare you off... I just wanted to get it off my chest...
They are the annoying problems that stick in my eye when I open the pages...
Oh, and please don't chalk my ramblings down to the utterences of a crazed Trekkie... I typed this out as someone who loves Trek, loves Star Trek and as a fan. Also who likes to help improve things. So please take these notes back with you as 'constructive critisism', 'fan feedback' or even just 'CGI admirer feedback'. And of course feed back as a 'star trek fan'
I rarely write long messages. And this one has been a doozy!
Thanks for listening.
AndrewR
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"Yar, a lesbian? That girl had a sex drive! First, Data in Naked Now, then, in
Hide and Q, she hits on Picard! "Oh, if only you weren't the captain..." God! If
Denise Crosby hadn't left the series, she'd've slept with the entire senior staff by
now!" Jeff Kardde - March 7, 2001
[This message has been edited by AndrewR (edited March 14, 2001).]
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Ross: This is not good for my rage. *takes another pill*
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"I WANT A POST VOY SERIES STAR TREK ORIGINAL MESSAGE WAS LOOKING FORWARD NOT LOOKING BACK."
-Darkstar
By and large, Rob and I agree with the vast majority of your 'realism' gripes. We look at the images and absolutely see things that can be improved and, slowly but surely, we're getting there. If someone decides to wave a magic wand and bestow upon us the time and money it would take to go in and retool every ship to make it perfect, we'd be all too happy to comply.
The bottom line is, when we create a shot, we want it to be cool. We want folks to go 'wow, that's neat.' If the detail on the ship is so bad that it looks awful, of course we'll rethink the shot. But if we feel that the model is 'good enough,' we would rather keep our cool scene than tailor everything for the detail on the model (especially when the folks who will even notice detail errors are few and far between).
Oh, and one point I *will* address just to show you how blurry the line between CG and real models is... that shot of DS9 in our calendar (the one which you said did not exactly match the real model) IS a picture of the real model :-)
Sincerely,
Mojo
Who are/were Jaeger and Mirecki?
I do have to agree with Mojo though. I'd much rather have "cool" than "anally acurate". Of course, if there's a runabout that's the same size as a Galaxy-class, then I might complain.
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You know, when Comedy Central asked us to do a Thanksgiving episode, the first thought that went through my mind was, "Boy, I'd like to have sex with Jennifer Aniston."
-Trey Parker, co-creator of South Park
Ed Mirecki I believe was a model builder or a scenic designer, I'm not sure.
Unless of course you meant what were their names here, then I don't know.
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Someone - Adam? - actually got Jaeger's email, and he was initially quite pleasant about replying. Then, a short list of questions was submitted - 10, I think - and great care was taken to stress that he shouldn't answer them if it was in any way inconvenient. He never replied.
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Ross: This is not good for my rage. *takes another pill*
*blushes* about the DS9 thingy/model thingy... The picture/reference pic I was thinking of was that 'generic DS9 pic we see everywhere' the one that I'm sure was done as a promo from before Emissary... anyway - I was thinking of that in my head and well - OK *BUGGER* you got me there ;o)
BUT! I DID like that DS9 pic
Thankyou for understanding a few of my 'gripes' Its glad to know someone KNOWS what I'm talking about and that I'm not going insane.
Oh and I agree, when a shot is COOL you have to go with it, rather than the smaller details.
I just wanted to get all those 'smaller detail' thingys off my chest... to someone who was 'in the know' or who could conceivably do something about it... Hopefully my ramblings will do some overall good... somewhere
OK, I'm tired.
And thanks for listening and... well, replying!
Andrew
P.S. When you need Starship info, again I'm going to praise the *freaks* that are on this board
Have you checked out some of the recreations of the Wolf 359 info etc. It'd be nice to see some of those ships in that 'pretty picture book' that is on the horizon ;o)
Andrew
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"Yar, a lesbian? That girl had a sex drive! First, Data in Naked Now, then, in
Hide and Q, she hits on Picard! "Oh, if only you weren't the captain..." God! If
Denise Crosby hadn't left the series, she'd've slept with the entire senior staff by
now!" Jeff Kardde - March 7, 2001
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"I never saw the TAS, there actually was sex on the bridge?"
- Matrix, 14/03/2001
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"Yar, a lesbian? That girl had a sex drive! First, Data in Naked Now, then, in
Hide and Q, she hits on Picard! "Oh, if only you weren't the captain..." God! If
Denise Crosby hadn't left the series, she'd've slept with the entire senior staff by
now!" Jeff Kardde - March 7, 2001
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Don't kill me, I'm charming!
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"I never saw the TAS, there actually was sex on the bridge?"
- Matrix, 14/03/2001
'Twas just a joke, is all. Have some fabulous mousse.
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Don't kill me, I'm charming!
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"Second star to the right, and then straight on till morning."
As far as I remember, we didn't rename any models for the space battle at the end. There were 2 Defiants and the Akira.
In all honesty, if we know there isn't going to be a shot where we can see the name of a new ship, we don't put one on!
That's the practicality of the job.
Mojo
VICTORY!
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"No, 3 & 6 are mandatory, so you only have to do them if you want"
Alex, fellow classmate, trying to explain an assignment (2/2/01)
Mojo: Are there any times where you can recall that you did change the names of the ships, and stuff?
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"I WANT A POST VOY SERIES STAR TREK ORIGINAL MESSAGE WAS LOOKING FORWARD NOT LOOKING BACK."
-Darkstar
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As far as I remember, we didn't rename any models for the space battle at the end.
Sorry, my posting was imprecise. I meant the Nebula in the beginning. Did it have a name before you gave Bonchune to it for the calendar?
BTW: A few months ago we've discussed about name and registry of a Galaxy-class in the DS9 calendar. Do you know something about this?
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"Second star to the right, and then straight on till morning."
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Please email me with anything you might have ASAFP!
Thanks
Mojo
Mark
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"Why build one, when you can have two at twice the price?"
- Carl Sagan, "Contact"
Anyways, here's a page from Bernd's site. The All Good things variant is on the bottom of the page.
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/scans/vorchaneghvar1.htm
Here's a page from Pedro's site: http://www.shiporama.org/negh'var.htm
As long as you're here, Mojo, can you tell us if this softcover "Starship spotter" book that's been announced is the current form of the "Hidden Frontier" hardcover big book of ships? Are we going to see two books or only one?
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When you're in the Sol system, come visit the Starfleet Museum
Andrew
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Homer: I'm gonna miss Springfield. This town's been awfully good to us.
Bart: No, it hasn't, Dad. That's why we're leaving.
Homer: Oh, yeah. [pokes his head out the window] So long, Stinktown!
"Starship Spotter is NOT a replacement for 'Hidden Frontier' - just something to tide everyone over until we finish the other book next year"
So it looks like we're going to see 2 books, one this year and one next year!
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When you're in the Sol system, come visit the Starfleet Museum