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Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :

Rumours in from TrekToday.com...

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According to an established source who wishes to remain anonymous, the main Series V Starship will look very different from the modern-day Federation ships we all know. One of the most important changes to this pre-Starfleet Enterprise is that it will lack the distinctive two warp nacelles that have characterised most Federation ships.

As usual, please be aware that the above info has not been officially confirmed by Paramount yet, and that until they make an official announcement on the next series any Series V news should be treated as you would any rumour.

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No nacelles? Th' heck? Does this mean a new drive system, like transwarp or slipstream? Or simply that the new ship will have integrated warp nacelles like on Klingon BoPs and other alien ships?

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

It didn't say it wouldn't have nacelles.

Just not two nacelles ... but, yes, maybe something more along the lines of the Defiant, which doesn't have nacelles of any sort (no one is going to try talking me into believing those "stubs" are the nacelles! The engines, yes, nacelles, no.)

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Posted by Starship Freak (Member # 293) on :

Slipstream or some other form of drive would be nice. We�ve seen it so often on Voyager, it would be a shame not to incorporate it.
You know, I seem to recall an early rumour mentioning a setting in a near future that involved going back to basics with the new series, a lone starship on an exploration mission, like in TOS, and using some form of new drive. I always liked that premise.

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

Um...a pre-TOS Federation starship with slipstream drive? Oh, there's a brilliant idea.

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Posted by Starship Freak (Member # 293) on :

He, he, he, that sort of reduces the importance of Kirk, doesn�t it?
No, I was actually speculating based on the latest rumour that the new show will be set in the future, and that the prequel rumours were meant to throw us of guard.

Posted by colin (Member # 217) on :

From the available data, I would agree that series 5 is after Voyager. I am happy to see a new ship.

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Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :

What about the S.S. Enterprise??

The ship seen in the rec-room, IIRC????

She has no nacelles, *and* is called Enterprise!

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Posted by Starship Freak (Member # 293) on :

Since we are speaking of the rec-room, let�s not forget the spaceshuttle Enterprise, that ship certainly doesn�t have nacelles!

Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :

I for one am not going to believe any of these rumours. I'll just wait and see.

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Posted by Shipbuilder (Member # 69) on :

What's wrong with saying the Defiant has nacelles.

nacelle: a streamlined enclosure (as for an engine) on an aircraft

looks alright to me.

Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :

*(agrees with Fabrux)*

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Posted by Jim Phelps (Member # 102) on :

There is probably no reason to believe that TPTB would want to maintain consistency with that one; they almost didn't make the Ent-B Excelsior class.

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Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :

What the heck else would they have made it?

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Posted by Fructose (Member # 309) on :

A nacelle is a seperate streamlined enclosure. The engines on the Defiant aren't seperate from the rest of the ship. You need pylons to get a nacelle. You could call them pods on the Defiant.

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Posted by EdipisReks on :

pods, nacelles, whatever you want to call them, i think it is pretty obvious that they have the same function. the nomenclature is just semantics. hey, you don't know that there isn't a pylon on the inside, and what appears to be a pod connected directly to the hull is simply a covering over both the nacelle and the pylon. whatever they are, the bits on the defiant have a bussard collector, a blue plasma grill at the back, and they generate a warp field.

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :

You guys have hit the nail RIGHT on the head... "These are the voyagers of the Space Shuttle Enterprise!"

YES!

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Posted by Fructose (Member # 309) on :

Hey thanks. I haven't bought them yet. I have too many models to build right now.

I may buy them in the next month or two though. I'll remember to talk about them on my site.

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

Erm. What's "Askmodels"?

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askmodels.com is an english company that makes a lot of models that no one else makes. they have a lot of real world stuff and sci-fi. they have made a norway and a sabre class model, though i haven't been able to see one yet.

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Posted by Matrix (Member # 376) on :

If the ship doesn't have nacelles then it could only mean that that 1. They are designing a new ship that could look alot like Duantless 2. This is way in the future where warp drive in obsolete. 3. The new series might be based BEFORE First Contact.

I don't believe in rumors until I see the ship or the series on my TV or computer.

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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

Erm, if it's based before First Contact, then not only would the ship not have ncelles; it wouldn't have humans on it.

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Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :

Getting briefly back to the whole "nacelles" definition thing...

Nacelle and pod are interchangable terms, in that both are separate from the main structure of the vehicle. What the Defiant has are properly described as cowlings or fairings.

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Posted by Fructose (Member # 309) on :

Ah, good call on the semantics. I feel better now.

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :

Maybe it'll be on a Cargo vessel... some of those like the Batris? or the Xhosa? Don't have visible nacelles.

Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :

Maybe for the TMP Special Edition, they'll replace that starliner picture with this pre-Starfleet Enterprise...but I'm not holding my breath.

I'm surprised no one has come to the (unfounded)conclusion that IF the show is set not in the past but in the future, and IF the ship is going to be called the Enterprise, and IF she has a propulsion system that doesn't require nacelles, then perhaps she's the Enterprise-F! That way, Picard and crew could happily continue to make movies with the Enterprise-E, and a future crew could trek around in the Ent-F on television. Kinda like...how TNG branched off from the classic movies!

After all, John Eaves designed the Ent-E, so why not the Ent-F?

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

Except that Marina Sirties asked Berman if there would be a role for her on the new series (Dorn-syndrome, I guess), and Berman told her no, because it's set in a different time frame.

No -F

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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

And TNG was set three starships on from the movies. I doubt that the new show would have the Enterprise-F. The Enterprise-H, maybe.

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Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :

Yes, but my point wasn't which letter Enterprise would be used, but rather if the show was set in the future and revolves around an Enterprise, it would make more sense with a ship with no warp nacelles. This rumor would imply that either the ship is more advanced than *present day* warp-nacelled starships, or that it was pre-warp.

Let's think about this. Pre-warp? What kind of propulsion system would it have, then? Impulse drive? Nuclear rockets? And just how long would space travel take with a ship with no warp drive?

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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

Well, letsalope thinks that the ships already travel slower than light speed, so it'd be the same. Nyah.

*sulks*

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Posted by Balapoel on :

$0.02:

I think it is possible that the stage has been set for Series V, in a similar fashion that TNG episodes on Bajor set the stage for DS9, and episodes on DS9 and TNG on the Maquis set the stage for VOY. We've had a couple of shows about 29th century Starfleet time travelers (Relativity and Future's End). This way, the series could follow a SF crew that could go anywhere, anywhen. The dramatic possibilities are endless, much more than a time-limited show set in the 21st or even 25th century.

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Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :

*plek*

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Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :

Unfortunately, time travel is nothing original in Star Trek. In fact, time travel has pretty much become an excuse to justify that the episode in question "never really happened" (All Good Things, Timeless, etc.) And if "Relativity" showed us anything, it's that each episode of a Star Trek series based upon time travel would leave the audience as confused as Janeway was in that ep.

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Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :

Balapoel: I think this has been described as Star Trek: Quantum Leap. You'd have future SF officers jumping around in time unable to change things that we've already seen and unable to reveal themselves as being from the future (of course you'd have the occational "just have to tell someone" episode). While I agree that the idea of seeing various important events in Federation history, various hitherto unseen ships, etc. would be very cool, I have no confidense that it could be pulled off intelligently.

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Posted by Balapoel on :

That may not be the case. Remember, Braxton didn't 'remember' what happened to him, because it was in a different timeline. Theoretical physicists entertain the possibility of infinite universes, each set off from each other by each quantum change. In effect, there could be universes where the Klingons defeated the Federation in the 2200s, or where the Dominion won.

Our SF officers could indeed change things in the past, or more specifically, try to manipulate events that merely effect space-time in general.

I admit, TPTB may screw it up as well, but at least it could be entertaining (and imaginative) if they did it right.

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Posted by Wes (Member # 212) on :

Yet again, it hasnt been confirmed that the show will take place in the 'past'. Just a diffrent time. I'm still hoping for 29th century

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Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :

Nahm we've seen too much of that. I'm up for the 25th or 26th - far enough ahead that everything can look totally difference, but not too far ahead that the production people won't be able to keep up with the fantastical technologies they'll have dreamed up by then.

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

I hope they shake things up a bit. If it's just TNG with a bigger Federation, that won't be good. Something akin to Andromeda, perhaps, with the Federation overcoming a crisis would be cool ...

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