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Posted by TheF0rce (Member # 533) on :

i hope people could actualy see this pic
cause i don't want to find another server

to restate the question
if these doors slide open.....hmmmmmmmm
http://members4.clubphoto.com/harry314334/Mar_3_2001/photo10.jpg?1

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Posted by Tech Sergeant Chen (Member # 350) on :

That's the holodoc's closet. Since he's just a hologram, he can walk right through it so it doesn't have to open. Problem solved. Next!

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

How typical of Voyager ...

No continuity even in the set design!

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Posted by Evolved (Member # 389) on :

Hehe. Well, if you own Elite Force, the CD-ROM game, the designers of that game even recreated that part of sickbay. Now THAT'S accuracy!

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

But how does the door open?

Hmmm. I've actually got this image of whomever is sitting at that desk getting smacked by the door opening into the office.

"OW! Dammit, Janeway, I told you not to use that entrance!"

Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :

The klingons have a saying, "revenge is a dish best served cold"...It's very cold in that closet. Put Harry in it next time he starts his skywalker-whine, that'll make a man out of him.

To all Harry-Fans: I meant no disrespect against Harry and have nothing against the stupid little creature. Thanks and enjoy the show.

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Posted by Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs (Member # 239) on :

So much hate.

Perhaps it opens completely to the left, without splitting.

I AM SO FUCKING PISSED OFF AT THIS COMPLETE AND DISRESPECTFUL SLAP IN THE FACE OF STAR TREK FANS EVERYWHERE! RICK BERMAN AND BRANNON BRAGA ARE THE ONES RESPONSIBLE! (NOT THE WRITERS, THEY HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH IT, AND NIETHER DO THE EP'S AT UPN, USURPING DECISIONS IN ORDER TO 'MAKE ENTERTAINING TV'!) THEY LIKE TO HAVE COW SEX!

THE FUCKING DOORS IN THE CORNER OF SICKBAY WHICH WE NEVER SEE AREN'T ABLE TO OPEN! STAR TREK SUCKS NOW, AND BERMAN CAN GO EAT A BAG OF HELL!

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Posted by Mikey T (Member # 144) on :

Well that's an interesting way to say it Ultra...

I tried to open that door in Elite Force, even with the photon launcher. The result was killing the guy next to the computer console and a bunch of Starfleet personel materializing in front of me with the phaser rifles that started shooting me. Damn I hate that part...

Anyway, I think that the door leads to either a lab or a verticle Jeffries Tube. That or it is a closet. Can anyone read what the door signage says?

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

I've decided I really like the phrase "go eat a bag of hell"... *LOL*

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Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :

It seems obvious to me: the right half of the door slides down, while the left one performs a half-immelman and then transitions to the fifth dimension.

Umm. Or then these are the only non-sliding doors in Starfleet (apart from those back in the cadet dormitory of SF Academy), and you simply push them, saloon door style. They provide spiritual satisfaction to doctors - when they lose a patient (or patience), they can actually slam a door, which is a pleasure available to very select few in Starfleet.

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Posted by P0sitr0nic on :

have any of you considered that the metal of the door might flex when opening, like a garage door? It might just curve as it opens.

In reality, that IS a huge set Snafu.

Posted by Austin Powers (Member # 250) on :

Have you seen a very nice movie called "Austin Powers 2"?

In the end you see Fat Bastard coming into Austin's pad using a very unconventional method of entering. I believe that would work here as well!! ;-)

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Posted by 8472 on :

I assumed that the door opened into a small medical store. There are other stores around the ship. In there would be spare medical instruments and drugs on shelves and also weapons in case of hostile suituations in sickbay. Also here is a few computer terminals for updating the ships medical stock database. Also here could be medical kits for use on planets and other vessels. At the end of this room would be a ladder with hatches in the ceiling and floor going up or down into the jeffries tube network.

Posted by TheF0rce (Member # 533) on :

i do have Elite Force
a friend of mine noticed it thats why i hunted down the "real" set design pic.

ingame as long as you don't kill anybody
you can use your phaser and draw your innitials everywhere!!!
the doctor won't go:"...hey! stop messing up the carpet!"

anyway once you do kill somebody-i suggest you run down the corridors-you'll live longer-or hide in your own quarters or something-any starfleet officer coming through the door to get you-you can just pick-em off with your rifle...next after the 5th starfleet officer went down-they'll start beaming in.

and if you want to take out the bridge crew-spawn yourself the tetryon pulse gun-use second fire and stand in a corner and spray in a good manner to cover half the bridge-pausing in the center to make sure that Janeway went down already---you should be able to kill off most of the commanding officers along with 1/3 of the bridge crew before tuvock or harry gets you.

whoa!!!!!
sorry-if that sounded like i should be put away
hehehehhehehehehehhehe

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Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :

I've really got to get this game...

8472: The problem with the door isn't what's behind it, it's the fact that there is no wall room on either side of the door for it to open. It would have ot go up, down or come forward like an ironing board. We've never seen standard doors do that. Plus there's clearly a seem in the middle of the door where it's supposed to slide.

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Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :

Love this tread!

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Posted by 8472 on :

I think it opens like a door like on a wardrobe but inwards.

Posted by Nonsuch on :

perhaps the right side only opens a little bit, requiring a relatively thin chief medical officer.

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :

Perhaps he keeps the morphine there, and has welded it shut just to show'em!

(like the "Guardian Angels" that carries a butterfly-knife covered by sticky-tape, so that it isn't considered a weapon!)

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Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :

My guess is that it either swings open or curves.

I don't recall seeing it in use, nor ever noticed it before. It's pretty bad space filler though. Since the doors require two people pulling them open at the sides I'm not sure how'd they do it.

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Posted by TheF0rce (Member # 533) on :

they probably just beam inside themselves

the fancy doors are there probably just to trick the hostile aliens that takeover the ship every week or two.

Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :

Oh come on! If they can make mall-doors open by themselves, they should be able to scale it down and put it on any door.
When Nimoy guest starred in "Simpsons", he once said, like, "when I worked on Trek, they actually had two guys that pulled the doors open everytime we passed."
I think that implies that they have moved on in the door-departement. But I can't confirm it as I don't know anything about Trek set design.

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

Yes. They now have ONE guy who opens the doors. With a hand crank or something similar.

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Posted by Daniel (Member # 453) on :

Haven't we already been over this? IIRC, they use a pulley system to open the doors, requiring only one person to operate them. As I have said, I seem to remember this from the Star Trek episode of Levar Burton's Reading Rainbow. (As I have also said, don't laugh!)

On that particular set of doors though. Whew. Who designed that set? Didn't they see the problem there when they began building it? Or maybe they look at it the way my high school's stage advisor looks at it:
"Hell, the cast ain't usin' it, and it's not like anyone's going to notice unless they look hard."

Unfortunately, we nitpickers look REALLY hard.

Posted by Mikey T (Member # 144) on :

Maybe we can all hope that it would disappear in the next episode and be replace by a computer monitor or something...

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Posted by Zor Prime on :

There was also an episode of Primetime Live back in 89 or 90 that showed the pully deal.
And I think you cn catch it also in some of the TOS bloopers.

Posted by Austin Powers (Member # 250) on :

On the "25th Anniversary Special" hosted by Shatner and Nimoy, they showed several bloopers of TOS where the cast were bumping into doors that were not opened in time!

Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :

I remember that. That blooper show was better than most fo the episodes :0)

Posted by Gaseous Anomaly (Member # 114) on :

Invading Borg [Walking to door]: You will be assimil-OOFF!! Fucking set designers!

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Posted by Austin Powers (Member # 250) on :

Now that's just what I thought!!
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Posted by Treknophyle (Member # 509) on :

I'm really trying hard to refit my deckplans to make sense.
And now you have to notice this.

AAARRRGGG!!!

I'm going with the "slide to the left" faction.
And then I'm going quietly insane.
How did they ever let this get by? I had the same problem in one of my compartments - and I noticed it right away.

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

Am I the only one who doesn't think that flexible door technology will be out of reach in the late 24th century?

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Posted by TheF0rce (Member # 533) on :

noodle doors?
thats crazy mister!

imagin running full force into one of these elastic doors

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Posted by Tech Sergeant Chen (Member # 350) on :

Both tambour and bifold doors are equally improbable solutions. The E-D did use tambour doors on the shuttlebays, but you could clearly see separate slats, at least on the outside, unlike here. Of course, on the inside of the shuttlebay doors, they looked solid.

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :

Is there anywhere you can download the bloopers from Voy? It'll never come to Sweden...

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Posted by Austin Powers (Member # 250) on :

I didn't even know there were blooper tapes from VOY!

Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :

The only Voy bloopers I can think of are the ones on that Ultimate Trek special with Jason Alexander as Captain Kirk.

Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :

I was talking about the TOS blooper tapes. I've never seen any for TNG DS9 or VOY.

Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

I've seen the TNG bloopers. You can find 'em at most Cons. I don't know about DS9 or VOY bloopers, but I'm certain they exist.

Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :

There are blooper reels for TOS and season 1 TNG, there is nothing after... the problem was that someone in editing? Edited together a whole lot of blooper and episode footage, that made it look like Wesley and Troi were having sex! It would have been hilarious, but seeing as it was shown at the wrap party infront of everyone, and well, Wil Weaton wasn't that old then, or something - some certain people got pissed off and told them to release no more blooper footage...

Anyway, reguarding those doors, you can see the split down the middle... maybe they collapse on our right, into the wall, and just slide like normal on the left. Hang on, how do we even know that the doors don't just collapse in on themselves (in the wall) normally!?! We've never seen INSIDE the wall when the door is open have we? Just because it slides along intact 'in the real world' doesn't mean it does in the Trek world. Maybe someone could as Rick Sternbach?? Or who ever would design the sets, Herman Zimmerman?

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Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :

The idea of less-than-solid doors is a nifty one, but apparently Rick intended the doors to slide as if they were solid and immutable. At least that's how he draws the doors in the E-D blueprints (on the upper decks where the resolution is sufficient for showing the door pockets).

IIRC, that is. Am I imagining things?

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

The doors look pretty solid when Adm. Quinn throws Mr. LaForge through them in Conspiracy. If you'll remember, he's thrown with sufficient force that he knocks the doors out of their sliding track.

Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :

Maybe it's modern art. "Is it a door, is it a painting...you decide" Ther could also be artwork hanging around that looks like consoles, windows, Chakotay...

Posted by TheF0rce (Member # 533) on :

that would be really hectic! and amusing to have paintings immitating consoles

imagine during "Q-who" a borg drone being mislead that an art piece is a console and ends up trying to collect valueble data from it.

worf:"sir...what is that borg doing? he has been scannig that painting for hours?"

Picard:"hmmmmm....i may be wrong but they must be art collectors of the deltaqaudrent"

worf:"well then Q is certaintly wrong in thinking this will frighten us!"

Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :

The doors could also open line those on a phone booth, with the seam down the middle being the hinge-line... Just to toss some more kerosene on the fire...

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Posted by Tech Sergeant Chen (Member # 350) on :

8472 already brought up the possibility of a bifold door.

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

Here's an interesting Q:

On TNG, where do the interior turbolift doors go?

Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :

Subspace.

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Posted by Commander Dan (Member # 558) on :

Greetings,

Has anyone considered that the infamous Voyager Sickbay door slides entirely to the left? Please consider the following:

The panel on the right slides LEFT and just behind the left-side panel. (Granted, the right-side panel would have to move �back� a tad before sliding over to the left.)

Next, both doors, now �back to back,� would slide even further to the left, moving entirely into the left-side wall and out of sight.

This would, presumably, occur within a second or so�

Dan

Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :

What I was meaning about solid v non-solid... that they are a full on Solid door when CLOSED, but when they 'slide' open - they just don't stay as a door inside the wall, but they collapse in on themselves into the frame of the door!?!

Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

I don't think any of those explanations work. Look, it's one thing to wonder if the doors collapse in on themselves when they open and what-not, but c'mon: let's just face reality. Why would Voyager's designers put in one set of doors that folds in one way when the others all fold in a different way?

It's a set goof. Those doors aren't functional on the set, they exist as "dressing." It's a goof, the designer should be forced to put false doors in his own home.

Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :

It's probably one of those 'Let's see if any of the fans out there will notice!" situations, like with the TOS communicator wallpanels on the Amargosa Observatory.

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Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :

Sarge: Oh... So THAT'S what 'bifold door' means... Got it.

As for the turbolift doors, they go with the outer doors into the walls.

--Jonah

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

So ... when the turbolift stops, both sets of doors slide into the wall? When the turbolift moves, the interior set somehow latches onto the turbolift and carries on?

Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :

It's not unheard of. The TMP et. al. Travel Pod does exactly the same thing - and it's capable of free-flight.

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

Perhaps that wall (in Sickbay) is seeded with nanotech factories, and the door doesn't open and close so much as it is extruded when closed and consumed when open.

Posted by Tech Sergeant Chen (Member # 350) on :

Where the turbolift doors go is no different from how elevator doors work today. There's a more serious problem than that, though. If the car is round and the shaft is close-fitting as seen in Disaster, how do you put in a flat door? Can't do it without flattening a side, unless you want to argue that turbolift doors are a foot thick, and we know they're not.

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Posted by Daniel (Member # 453) on :

Okay, this is how I have made turbolift doors work in my own drawings, even though it doesn't really coincide with how the doors work on the show. The external set of doors slide into the wall of whatever deck they're on. I have made the internal doors slide into pockets in the wall of the turbocar. Now the reason this doesn't match what we see on screen is because it makes the inner doors curved. On screen, the'yre flat. But it really isn't practical any other way.

Posted by Mikey T (Member # 144) on :

Maybe the doors in the turbolifts are holographic...along with that door in Voyager's sickbay.

But returning to that infamous door, perhaps it slides like the Defiant doors. Granted the doors look like they split in half, could slide to the side.

I hope it's not an inside joke with the set designer though...

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Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :

Maybe there's a mini pattern buffer under the floor, and the door is just beamed out, held in suspension, then beamed back...

--Jonah

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :

Maybe the side of the door that is on our right, is sort of rubbery and can flex and bend around into the wall...

Posted by Commander Dan (Member # 558) on :

The door sliding entirely to the LEFT is the only explanation that makes any practical sense. Here� Maybe this graphic will better illustrate what I was previously talking about.

The panel on the right begins to slide LEFT, moving into a position just behind the left-side panel. (Granted, the right-side panel would have to move �back� a tad before sliding over to the left.)

At the same time, the left-side door panel is also moving to the left, so both doors would simultaneously move into the left-side wall and out of sight, ultimately stopping in a �back to back� position.

In this scenario, the right-side door panel will be moving to the left at a greater rate of speed than the door panel on the left.

See? Simple!

Dan

Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :

Commander Dan. We know what you were talking about. But we've never seen any standard door do that before.

Prakesh: I noticed the TOS com panels on Amargosa!!

Posted by Treknophyle (Member # 509) on :

Cmdr. Dan:
I love it. Sideways thinking!

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Posted by Commander Dan (Member # 558) on :

Aban Rune

True, we have never seen a door operate this way in the Trek universe. But likewise, we have no evidence that doors �flex� or dematerialize inside bulkheads.

The set design is obviously a screw-up. Whether they did it deliberately (to see who would notice) or by pure accident, who knows? I look at it from the standpoint that we are now left to figure out how this door would actually work in the existing set. (Yeah, I know, I need a life!)

Not to sound conceded, but I believe that my solution is the best compromise. It works within the existing set design and it is as close to a �standard� sliding Trek door as one can get. Besides, I have seen one or two doors designed this way on a few Trek blueprints. (Thus, I can�t really take credit for coming up with this idea on my own.)

Regarding the turbolift doors: These doors likely function the same way that TMP cargo pod doors operate, as Mark Nguyen has previously pointed out. The turbo car would have to be in its �station,� and then the doors would slide out (straight, mind you) into the ship�s bulkhead. Though this may not be a very �practical� design, it would not necessarily be complicated to engineer.

Dan

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :

Actually, we have seen Commander Dan's interpretation on Trek before... on the Delta Flyer's door to the aft section...