The latest issue of ST: The Mag had a briefing on Jupiter Station. I scanned as much of Zimmerman's lab as I could, along with the dorsal view of the station. I'll try to get the side view and the renderings at a later date. Enjoy!
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Posted by TheF0rce (Member # 533) on :
excellent i was just about to make a jupiter station texture for armada a sod for it has already been made
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Way cool - I've been looking forward to this one.
Z-man's lab is insteresting. For one thing, it seems proof-positive of Starfleet's retrofitting rooms with holo-emitters. The lab has a small hologrid in it, yet no one uses it the the EMH and whatsherface move around freely, in the anteroom as well. We see evidence of retrofitting on DS9, where we see holograms in the sickbay and cargo bay (!). One wonders why Voyager hasn't bothered applying this tech on themselves; the Doc's mobile emitter is useful, but if you can instantly transfer yourself to a crisis zone in an emergency...
Finally, one has to wonder though why what is doubtless a first-class holo-research lab would be located on a station in Jovian orbit. Why not on a planet? And if it had to be in space, why around a planet where M-class surroundings are hardly abundant?
Mark
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Posted by TheF0rce (Member # 533) on :
top research facilities locating in inhospitable places is no new thing.
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Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Maybe, but a research facility for *holography*?
Mark
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Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :
Remember Roy...?
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Posted by Gaseous Anomaly (Member # 114) on :
Planetary research site = well-dodgy atmospheric shuttle flights for cargo + stuff, even with transporters.
Perhaps the station was originally built to study Jupiter and it's magnetosphere a good while ago, and the holography section of the base just became the most important over time.
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Posted by Toadkiller (Member # 425) on :
Was it established that holography was the most important research going on there? If it was Zimmerman that said it so it might just be ego. He might just work there because he likes the view.
Likely there is a bunch more projects given the size of the station. I doubt they have learned all they want to about gas giants and old Jove would be a good baseline to study (oceanography/limnology is still often modeled with one small lake in WI - because it is handy).
With the "save the spotted owl" idea strong on Earth orbital platforms might well be the industrial parks of the Sol system.
Cool pics by the way
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Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
I never suggested that *all* of Jupiter station is evoted to holography - there are doubtless tons of activities going on there. I'm jsut wondering if there could be a valid reason *for* a first-class holography research facility to be there. THe idea of it just starting as a minor lab that grew over time is a pretty good one. Zimmerman probably isn't staying for the view, since his quarters don't have windows.
Mark
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Posted by Soontir_Fel on :
What a minute, a hologrid in a DS9 cargobay? When was that?
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Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
The 6th season episode with Bashir babysitting the genetic mutants. They set up unseen emitters to project a holorecording of a Dominion conference for the Jack Pack to pick apart.
Mark
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Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
I thought they were in the holodeck for that scene?
I believe the first mention of Jupiter Station was way back in "Projections"... or possibly even sooner. Either way, they didn't intend to show the real thing at the time.
Has anyone ever wondered how the Jupiter Station we've seen is related to Jupiter Station 92? (From BOBW)
Wasn't Jupiter Station 92 a security measure against spies who intended to find out what happens in "Best of Both Worlds"?
But in the Trek universe, it could be a smalll orbital facility.
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Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
I believe this Jupiter Outpost was different from the Jupiter Station we saw in Voyager. For one thing, these "outposts" sound like things smaller than starbases or stations. For another, having a Jupiter Outpost 92 sort of implies there were at least 92 of them, again suggesting small mass-produceable facilities.
Since we heard in "BoBW" that JO92 a) was the first to spot the Borg and b) was silenced by the Borg, I suppose JOs are military sensor stations and possibly weapon platforms as well - perhaps comparable to the Cardassian orbital defence platforms we saw in "Tears of the Prophets" et al. If JO92 and its companions had significantly-better-than-average sensors dedicated to ship-spotting, it would be understandable that they'd spot the Cube before, say, Earth telescopes would.
And if JO92 was armed, it would make sense for the Borg to silence it (and possibly several of its companions), while destroying the Jupiter Station would be a waste of time since it had no obvious armaments. The Borg had already demonstrated they liked to spar with Starfleet's military forces even if they didn't have to - they had stopped to fight at Wolf 359, after all. Toying with the JOs and the Mars Defence Perimeter before going to Earth would fit the profile nicely.
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Posted by Toadkiller (Member # 425) on :
Which makes sense, they want to "taste" the tech level of the the culture before assimilating it - as well as destroying forces behind them that might get in the way of converting Earth.
Side topic: have we been given any idea of how long it would have taken to assimilate Earth? I don't watch Voy - maybe they said something?
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Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
And it could've been so easy for the Borg to assimilate Earth! Just send another fleet of cubes and spheres right after W359, and BANG!!, you have done it.
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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
We did see the last part of a planetary assimilation in progress during "Dark Frontier," I believe. But I can't quite recall if we heard any concrete numbers.
I don't think we actually saw the planetary assimilation there -- we just saw the aftermath of the battle between the Borg ships and the defensive fleet. The victims we saw were almost certainly just survivors of that battle.
Does anyone have a side view of the Jupiter Station of the ST: Mag.?
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
"If you have a problem with the holographic doctor, there's a man you can write ot at the Jupiter Station Holographic Research facility. His name is Zimmerman."
I believe that quote (as near as I can remember) from the holodoc was the first time we heard of Zimmie or the station.
Yes, Jupiter Putpost 92 was a security precaution. Each script had a different number in it so that if the script leaked, they could tell whose it was.
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Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
I'm not sure taht "Juptier Outpost 92" means that there are actually 92 outposts out there. Sure, the planet is huge enough to probably requires at least 92 stations, but why would outpost 9-2 make the report to the Enterprise? If there were 92 little outposts, why 92? Why not 91? And wouldn't a whole LOT of outposts notice the cube heading to Earth? They're kinda tough to miss..
I'm of the opinion that Worf actually said something like "outpost 9-2", which would equivocate to "the second outpost in Jupipter sector nine" or "the ninth outpost in Jupiter's Southern hemispere".
Mark
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Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :
Does any one have large scans of the other images of the station?
Posted by Raisinfonnel (Member # 71) on :
Eh, well, I was going to scan the other views, but that would require booting into '98... Of course, I might scan them tomorrow when I try out some games.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
Please do -- I would really like to see the side view of the station. For information on its dimensions if nothing else. Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :
I ask because I'm gonna do a section on starbases for my website and I can't scan them images myself.
Posted by Raisinfonnel (Member # 71) on :
Here's the other scans. The front view can't be scanned because it's in the crease...
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Posted by TheF0rce (Member # 533) on :
Did the magazine confirm those parts were made out of starship parts?
Which i can't believe from looking at one of the pics.
They just don't seem like the suacer structure...and besides would you build an international space station out of old shuttle parts today?
Posted by Raisinfonnel (Member # 71) on :
The magazine says that the saucers are similar to Ambassador saucers. That's it.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
They probably just used the same structural design to create new modules for the station. You know, to save time.
Thanks for that side view!
Posted by akb1979 (Member # 557) on :
WOW! COOL PICS! I've not seen the Voyager episodes that include the Jupiter Station, nor do I get the Fact Files, but that station looks a little similar to a space station I drew only 6 months ago - for a completely non-Star Trek project. How's that for coincidence? Got any more cool pics?
