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Posted by Matrix (Member # 376) on :

In Endgame, the Nova class ship was not only different from the Equidox but also bigger. It appears to be about the same size of the 2 Negh'Var class ships. It also appeared that she also was quite powerful compared to those two vessels.

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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :

Actually, it appeared much smaller than the Klingon ships to me.

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Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :

You think the Nova was as large as the Negh'vars??? Then how big do you think Janeway's shuttle was when it was flying next to the Rhode Island? Using that logic, it would have to be at least as big as a Miranda class starship!

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Posted by BlueElectron (Member # 281) on :

Is it possible that it's a ship of same design and built smaller??

It's possible, they've done it for BoP, and in real life, all Russian space rockets are the same design, just differ in size.

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Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :

You can't just 'build a ship smaller' A smaller ship needs to be completely redesigned.

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Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :

Nah, that ship was the same size as Equinox. (And I'm sure they used the same CGI model too, only with a few modifications.) The scene with the Negh'vars was just because the Rhode Island was a lot closer to the camera. That's all.

As for relative power, we got very little info about those Klingon ships, so we can't be sure just how badly they were damaged. And further, they STILL made it into the rift, so Captain Harry wasn't totally successful in keeping them away. (In fairness, though, all he really needed to do was keep them away long enough for Janeway to make it into the rift. She handled the rest.)

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Posted by Matrix (Member # 376) on :

The Rhode Island was over the two Klingon ships so if the RI was closer to the camera, the two Neh'Vars would be even closer. I'm not entirely convinced that this was that "close-ranged, Warp 8 science vessel" that we are all familier with. First of all the RI could take the damage that those two Klingon ships were dishing out. The USS Pastuer which amazingly she fought two Klingon ships of almost the same design in the same time frame and took heavy damage in a few minutes.

Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

The Pasteur was attacked by two decloaking Klingon ships. They didn't realize they were under attack until they WERE under attack.

The Pasteur is also a medical ship. If armed, it's probably not armed very heavily.

The Rhode Island was going into combat, with defenses ready, and weapons armed. Given the advanced tech the Federation seems to enjoy, it's not unreasonable to assume that the RI was equipped to kick anyone's ass.

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Posted by Matrix (Member # 376) on :

If we're assuming that this is the Equidox type Nova than it would very stupid to send her because even though she might be heavily armed than a Olympic class ship, she is no match for 2 Negh'Vars which could be consdered equals or better than a Galaxy class ship.

One on one a Nova class vs. the Olympic class I don't think that there would be a big weapon power advantage. The USS Pastuer even though she surprised, she did get her shields up and lasted only a very minutes in what appeared that the Klingons were taking their time in destroying her.

Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :

Equidox? Got a cold, Mateychops? 8)

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Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :

Maybe that were old Negh'Vars with 2370s technology and the Rhode Island was equipped with 2400s technology?

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Posted by The Shadow (Member # 36) on :

Heh...at that rate, they'll be destroying planets in 2500.

Posted by Daniel (Member # 453) on :

Whaddaya mean you can't just "build a ship smaller?" Look at the Oberth. I'm sure there have been many discussions on this topic, but it has been represented in many different sizes. And we have two different deck counts according to two different episodes. Now I don't agree with the concept, but it exists, so you can't just throw the idea out the window.

Posted by TheF0rce (Member # 533) on :

here this will help you guys out
first of all its not a nova class and i don't even think its a refit.

the negh'vars might not be negh'vars eigther--they look moddified as well.

Posted by PopMaze (Member # 302) on :

I believe it is a Nova class, jus a modification of what we saw earlier. It's like the Constitutions, the Mirandas, the Excelsiors, the Nebulas, and so on. Even though it looks different, there isn't that much that was changed. There are exceptions to this rule like the TOS and movie Connies and the Soyuz class, but these are exceptions. Unless made clear that it's another class by TPTB, I'm assuming it's a Nova.

Posted by TheF0rce (Member # 533) on :

well its really big
you can eighter accept that as a nova refit and the "negh'var" a different ship.

or RI as new class

or both RI and "negh'var" like ship new classes.

its not very unheard of
after all the yellowstone and danube class look exactly alike.

did anyone catch the registery?--i did not see it myself but i heard it was fairly low--making Harry's ship an old ship.

[ May 27, 2001: Message edited by: TheF0rce ]

Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :

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did anyone catch the registery?--i did not see it myself but i heard it was fairly low--making Harry's ship an old ship.

According to Foundation Imaging it's NCC-72701.

And what if the Negh'Vars are smaller? The Klingons have Bird of Preys in different sizes, maybe Negh'Vars too.

Posted by Dennistn (Member # 386) on :

If Star Fleet is following a similar pattern with the Nova class as with the Nebula class ships, then this "Nova" (Rhode Island) may be outfitted differently than the Equinox. We already know that Nebula's are outfitted for specific missions, and are of a modular design to facilitate the refits necessary.

Harry did say that the ship had been on an extended mission. A standard Nova is hardly outfitted for such a mission. Thus the Rhode Island's equipment package differs (possibly significantly) from the package aboard the sister ship Equinox. Maybe upgraded weapons platform?

This would make sense, IMHO, since it has proved successful in the Nebula class ships. The ships after all carry similar missions, with the Nebula being a larger more powerful platform.

Posted by BlueElectron (Member # 281) on :

And what's with this so call "steath" technology??

It certainly looks like cloaking to me!

Posted by Waka (Member # 36) on :

Heh...here's something I haven't done in a while...

If the Nova is 160m, the Negh'Var is >600m.

Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :

I think Dennistn has a pretty good explanation. Nova classes may be just like the Miranda and Nebula classes: adaptable design.

As far as I could tell, the front of the arrow/saucer section was changed as was the underside of that same section. It also looked to me like the deflection dish and underside of the Rhode Island had also been modified, but it has been a while since I've watched Equinox.

The ships looked to be about the right size for their classes (assuming that those are proper Negh'Var class ships). Since I'm not an expert on such matters, I'll leave the debate to Fozzie the Bear, er, Frank. Waka waka waka!

I also don't think the Rhode Island was kicking butt. She had the element of suprise by jumping like that. But all she did was manage to distract one of the Klingon ships.

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Posted by TheF0rce (Member # 533) on :

from the pic the nova looked like it was 1/3 the size of the negh'var or 1/2.

her length seem to easily cover the negh'var's head and good portion of her neck.

Posted by Treknophyle (Member # 509) on :

Yep. I believe they refer to that as a "BooBoo"

But she's posdef a Nova (albeit with a bridge dome). Check out the viewports. Exactly the same.

Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :

The modifications to the Nova Class CGI model appear to be threefold:

1) the front of the saucer section hath been filled in and the large deflector dish (probably used for scientific missions) hath been replaced with something that smacks of Voyagers auxilliary deflector dish.

2) the vent/pipe/wing thingies on the nacelles hath been done away with.

3) a bridge dome (and therefore, presumably an extra deck) hath been added.

The waverunner shuttle is still intact and the lower deflector looks the same to me.

Posted by Matrix (Member # 376) on :

Ok it looks smaller than what I remember it but Its still larger than the previous one.

Posted by NeghVar (Member # 62) on :

Matrix...how long you been watching trek? Most of the FX guys don't give a shit about scale...look at ST3 or the friggin Defiant.

The Rhode Island is definitely a variant of the Nova class. And the Negh'Vars are Negh'Vars...

Get over it, get on with it...

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Posted by Matrix (Member # 376) on :

Actually I really don't care if this Nova is larger or smaller but the point is that this Nova is different from the 'real time' Nova. I just want to get down the actual length of THIS ship and capaibilities of her compared to Equinox, is this a military version of it or is a another design similar to the Miranda is to the Constitution classes.

I have been watching Trek since 94' then I was 9 years old.