The other thread has grown too large, so I just start a quick new one. I would show you the finished Norway, if I hadn't lost my password somwhere. I'll go and chack my backup disks, it has to be somwhere. Await an update in some minutes...
Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
Here it is. Sorry for the delay, but everything that can possibly go wrong went wrong. Many of the details are gone at this size, but if I post a larger version, the 56k'ers are going to kill me.
Await an update on my page soon (not only the image, but something more... )
And I'm currently planning another project and may need help. More tomorrow when I can present some more information.
[EDIT] Version 1.1, some minor errors corrected, but nothing dramatic.
[ May 06, 2002, 06:01: Message edited by: Cpt. Kyle Amasov ]
Posted by David Templar (Member # 580) on :
Very nice artwork. First time I've seen a Norway pic this big. They really are ugly.
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
Actually, I don't think it looks bad.
Kyle, no need to post the entire pic, just a link will do.
Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
^^^^
Better now? Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Very cool. I like this ship. I don't know why, but I've never hated it as much as other people seem to.
But hey...I like the Yeager too...so it must just be me...
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
It's not just you. I like all the designs. Sure some could use some refinements especially those plastic model kitbashes, but generally they're good designs.
Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
^^^^
Count me, too. Te reason my second ship was the Medusa. I really thought about making another kitbash, but next will be the Soyuz, my TOS/Movie favourite. And the other project...
Posted by EdipisReks (Member # 510) on :
wow that looks great! really good work, man. i always had a soft spot for the norway class.
--jacob
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Ahh, nice!
Bewtiful
At last a schematic that isn't from the bloody Encyclopaedia.
Two qualms - as always:
1. Nacelle 'grill' white? not blue - maybe a copper grill like in your Medusa pic!?! 2. I think the nacelles need to be a little wider.
Oh and you used my suggestion! WOO!
What next!?! Maybe you could try extrapolating a front view?? Do we have enough info?
Andrew
Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: At last a schematic that isn't from the bloody Encyclopaedia.
At least most of it; since I had no idea how the front area (inside the 'hole') should look like, I used the arrangement of conduits and stuff given in the Encaclopedia-schematic and added some blue glow for a deflector (where else could it be? ).
quote: Two qualms - as always:
1. Nacelle 'grill' white? not blue - maybe a copper grill like in your Medusa pic!?! 2. I think the nacelles need to be a little wider.
From what I've seen, the nacelle 'grids' are no grids at all. I retouched and corrected as much errors as possible, but the lower part of the nacelle (maybe the entire lower nacelle, not only a strip) is white. I thought it was just the light source making it appear to be white, but the other nacelle (the left) is white allthough in a shadow-area.
Wider in the top-view or in the sideview? I think they really look a bit flat in the sideview, but I even stretched them a but compared to the Encyclopedia-ship. Maybe it's just a problem of comparison; with the corrected saucer the ship is taller (contrary to the flattened version of the Encyclopedia with the strange bridge/neck-attachment), so this could be the reason. While the image I used is not that good for scaling, I'll check it nontheless; thanks for the suggestions!
quote: What next!?! Maybe you could try extrapolating a front view?? Do we have enough info?
It could work, but it wouldn't reveal much new information. Nontheless, I was asked to do a frontview for the Niagara, too, and I did so, so why not? Maybe I can also create one for the Medusa. Weekend is near.
(For the next 'new' project, probably a reconstruction of the Soyuz, the image from the FactFiles is ugly and incorrect. And my shuttlebay-project.
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
Well Bernd already has a fairly correctly side view of the Fact Files version of the Soyuz.
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
my biggest problem with the Fact Files versions of these ships is they portray the warp nacelles with a forward red glow and a blue glow, that has been seen on very few on the Constitution-refit designs.. plus nacelle details are shaped wrong
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
The width on the top view of the nacelles - the looked a little thin.
Can you explain the 'nacelle grill' thingies again? Their white? Remember that this was a quick model - that one clear picture. I liked the copper effect you used on the Medusa.
Thinking of other schematics... what about one of the nebula with the "Phoenix" type sensor module - or what ever it was.
Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
This is the picture I used to determine the color of the ship's parts. Look at the left nacelle, it's white. The left nacelle could be grey but appears to be white because it reflects the bright light. But the left nacelle makes it clear thet the nacelles are white. (Nontheless, I can upload a copper version for you, give me some minutes, I just want to eat my Pizza. )
Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
I like the white version more than this one. Maybe the ship just needs some tuning.
Yes, this version is better ! Are you considering to make the underside, front and back views ? Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
I haven't checked the copper version yet, but I just have to mention, I was looking at the big clear picture from the Sketch Book - that I have on the 'puter and I don't think there IS any 'vent'/'grill' white, copper or otherwise!! It's completely covered over. It looks like there is a grill - but it's just where two parts of the hull plating meet. I'm guessing the holes on the top of the nacelle... the little circles are like the circles on top of the defiant...
Andrew
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
Theoretically, there could be field grills on the ventral side of the nacelles. If the Sovereign class can have it on the dorsal surface, it's possible for a nacelle to have it on the ventral surface.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
A-ha! Field grills - thanks.
Ventral nacelle-field grills! I like... Where the pylon connects to the nacelle, it wraps around - which doesn't sorta work, when you think about it, with the field grills being on the lateral and medial faces of the nacelles. BUT, does that 'wrap around' connection go ALL-the-way around?
Also looking at some First Contact screen-caps - even though any Norway appearance is murky at best, it seems to fit that there is no lateral or medial field-grills - as any glow seems non-existant - even taking into account the 'quality' of the shots we get of the nacelle. We do in some views see the bussard collector glow.
Just looking at the sketch-book picture of the Norway again. And I noticed that the whole bottom-half of each nacelle is white!! I wonder what is up with that?
I also would like to ask a few question on who designed her - was it Alex Jaeger? I'm intruiged with the 'train tracks' on top of the nacelles. As mentioned earlier by others and then by me it looks as if it could be a part of moving the nacelles for use in some sort of variable warp geometry. I noticed when looking at the picture maybe the 'other position' is with the 'pylon connection' up at the other end where the 'train tracks' are a little indented.
Methinks I see a navigational deflector under there. It looks like there's a small ventral hump with a blue glowy on it.
Posted by The BWC (Member # 818) on :
That makes a lot of sense. I always thought a ship firing phasers from it's deflector was weird.
Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
What if the phaser is rim mounted and not placed somwhere inside the hole in the nose section? I'd say a deflector in that nose section makes more sense than below the saucer, but I have to think of the Miranda all the time. Maybe those two have more in common than we thought. Or this Norway was some sort of testbed, either for a prototype 'no-deflector-at-all'-design or the weapon we see is not a phaser but the same kind of deflector-pulse Riker planned to use against the cube in BOBW, only modified. (Since we know you can use the deflector - at least the Galaxy- and Intrepid-deflector - for virtually everything... )
Posted by The BWC (Member # 818) on :
The bottom one. That is unmistakably a deflector.
BTW, why is the Intrepid's deflector so large? Anyone know?
Posted by Snay (Member # 411) on :
It's for your wedding reception.
Maybe because they designed it much smaller and it looked funky, and they decided "it must be much wider!"
Or (simpler) asthetics!
Posted by The BWC (Member # 818) on :
I'm not going to start this again. If you want to fight like last night Pm or email me.
Snay, you have bad sense of time. If the wedding WAS going to happen it would have been 4 hours and 30 minutes ago. But the groom ate rancid sauerkraut and couldn't attend. I had to get out my dusty old tux for nothing. I just now realized that I said it was mine. God, do I fell like a dumas*! It's not my wedding, its my neighbor Bill. He's dumb. Me and Sarah ARE getting married later this year or early next. And we ARE engaged.
[ June 07, 2002, 17:39: Message edited by: The BWC ]
Posted by Snay (Member # 411) on :
That wasn't a fight, silly boy. That was initiation, Flare-style. And you're lucky Magnus Ultra went so easy on you. I go so easy on you because of CC's orders.
But your story has so many holes in it, it's hard not to question you on it. You specificly said YOU were getting married today.
Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
quote:Originally posted by Snay: That wasn't a fight, silly boy. That was initiation, Flare-style.
I don't believe it's your place to decide what form, if any, that "initiation, Flare-style" should take.
Now, for "fuck" 's sake, Jeff, do shut up.
Posted by Snay (Member # 411) on :
You're right.
That was initiation, Snay and UM style Posted by Magna Ultrus (Member # 239) on :
Ack!
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Jeff: "Why are you calling him UM when a cursory look at his name shows the M is before the U?"
Posted by Snay (Member # 411) on :
To me, he will always be UM. To a newbie, however, he is MU. Posted by The BWC (Member # 818) on :
Me too. I can't get uset to saying UM. I like Um more that a cow.
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It's not my wedding, its my neighbor Bill. He's dumb.