I've read on a lot of websites that there was a Miranda-class starship seen as one of the ships in the 6 ship task force at the end of "Way of the Warrior." Some say that it's the USS Trial.
Anyway, I have just watched the episode, and I did not see a Miranda anywhere. Just the Venture (a Galaxy) and two Excelsiors. Does anyone have a pciture of this Miranda? Perhaps I missed it, or another ship was mistaken for one.
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
Look at the far left of your tv screen. It's docked ot one of the airlocks on the outer ring (the type that the Defiant docks to) facing toward the right of the screen. And I'll never understand how a Miranda could dock in the configuration. And it could be the USS Trial, but one of those Excelsiors are just as likely to be named that. Or even one of the two remaining and unseen ships.
Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
It'd be interesting to know if that's the full-blown Miranda model (last seen reconfigured as the Saratoga from "Emissary," IIRC, so it would have had to go back into the shop to restore the roll bar) or if it's the ERTL USS Reliant kit gussied up sufficiently to appear onscreen for a split second.
To pull a CaptainMike, (R-E-L-I-A-N-T) - (E-N) = (R-L-A-I-T) = (T-R-I-A-L)
[ May 30, 2002, 00:43: Message edited by: The_Tom ]
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
I do believe I've got a picture here... Copy & paste.
perhaps this is the extant Miranda CGI, not the physical model
Posted by Veers (Member # 661) on :
Page is unavailable, Mark... Yeah, I watched the scene again and saw the Miranda docked at the station. I must've thought it was the Defiant.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
You gotta copy & paste the URL.
Mark
Posted by Matrix (Member # 376) on :
Does anyone think that's its wierd to have a 6 ship fleet defend DS9 from a Klingon task force that could number in the thousands when reinforcements come? Unless those Excelsiors and Mirandas are super ships, I doubt they could do anything vs. the Klingon fleet. Granted the Klingons were not afraid of the fleet, they were worried about the Federation joining the war against the Klingons.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
I think you answeredyour own question. Isolated skirmishes between the Klingons and the Federation are not uncommon (at least during TNG), and depite the size of the attacking fleet that time this could easily be counted as such. But if the incoming ships were fired upon, and as unlike DS9 they were full Federation assets, that would totally draw the Klingons into war. They were prepared to take on the weaker Cardassians, but sure as hell not the Federation in all-out conflict - especially when Gowron realized that this would leave both of them to be steamrollered by the Dominion afterwards.
Mark
Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
You didn't see the twenty starships behind the camera.
And I think we're talking a little early chronologically for entirely-CGI Federation ships on DS9.
Posted by David Templar (Member # 580) on :
There were only 15 starships sent to defend DS9, who knows what the rest of the Fleet was up to? Besides, DS9 had already laid waste to a few dozen Klingon ships out of maybe 60-ish.
Posted by Veers (Member # 661) on :
OK, I see the Miranda now...how do they get a ship docked like that?
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Duct tape, obviously. There's no physical docking port on the model along the bow of the saucer... I'm guessing that the Miranda in question is simply hard-docked there using the DS9 clamps, though the reason why is beyond me. Alternatively, perhaps the Miranda was somehow helping out with the station repairs, and was hovering a few meters off the docking port to shine floodlights, or run umbilicals.
And David, dialogue specifically notes that Admiral Hastur's task force is composed of "six starships, led by the Venture". We see four of them here; one wonders if this is an actual task force, or simply a squadron cobbled together from locally-available ships...
Mark
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Considering how long Mirandas have been around, though, and many different niches they have been adapted too, it isn't outside the realm of possibility that this particular one has a docking port there.
Posted by David Templar (Member # 580) on :
It's been too long sine I really watched DS9. ;_;
It's also possible that the docking port has some sort of extendable dock, they can't always have a docking pylon free for ships without a skinny part to slide into that area.
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
Such a tube could be extended to one of the saucer bottom airlocks, assuming the Miranda is similar to the TMP Constitution in this respect.
The tube could also be a special feature of this single docking port, built by Starfleet specifically to interfact with the Defiant. That would allow the Defiant to have her door in just about any location! The tube could be connected directly to the bridge when we see underside shots, or to the bottom shuttlebay doors when we see topside shots...
Then again, where *is* the Defiant in this shot? Perhaps the Miranda is there to tow the immobile hulk away, and is just positioning herself for a better towing grip after having shoved the Defiant a few meters off the station?
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
well, the connie refit hs a hatch along one saucer edge labeled the main gangway airlock. theoretically the miranda could have one too, even though i cant recall seeing that side of the Miranda anytime recently... its the square door on the saucers portside rim
Posted by Matrix (Member # 376) on :
The ship could have a either a new hatch there or just docked there and using tubes to trnasport people fro the station to the ship and vice versa.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
If your just going to use transporters then there isn't alot of point hard docking. Perhaps this Miranda has an air lock much like the ones on the port and starboard rims of the saucer? Perhaps they all do but are normally covered by slide away panels for some reason.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
That's true; after all, the Defiant got away with that excuse for five years (according to the DS9TM, anyway). Most starships don't even have obvious hatches or doorways aside from their main shuttlebay, but of course they must HAVE them somewhere. Voyager was good at breaking that trend, what with its three rim hatches plus shuttle and cargo bay doors everywhere.
Mark
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Just a few things reguarding hatches.
The Venture/Galaxies don't have air-locks along their saucer rim, from what we've seen - it's down on the 'neck'.
Voyager had at one time its forward 'portal' act as a port for a weapon (they purchased it from some alien race - of course we never saw it again)
And we saw the borg floating out of a 'cargo bay' through a portal in "Scorpion Part II." The Borg were tiny and the round portal would normally be about a deck high in diameter.
Now about this:
quote:And David, dialogue specifically notes that Admiral Hastur's task force is composed of "six starships, led by the Venture". We see four of them here; one wonders if this is an actual task force, or simply a squadron cobbled together from locally-available ships...
Mark
Well, I remember when hearing/watching the "fleet" in this episode thinking WOW! 6 Ships... now they're gonna kick some Klingon butt.
The we had Bashir's comment in "Call To Arms" something like "I wish they'd send us like 20 ships" and laughing (I think others who were watching it at the time laughed too"... then we got the final scene... And we knew the feds were gonna kick some butt.
6 ships are fantastic 20 ships are AMAZING 40+ ships are wetting-pants-material...
We've just become spoilt in DS9 with all these ships. Blame B5 for this.
Trek with so many ships is pointless... A Few ships fighting throughout a solar system would be more the 'Trek' style. Utilising strategy and tactics - i.e. the rest of the crew).
Posted by Matrix (Member # 376) on :
I agree, though I do not thik it's B5 to blame. The massive fleets are obviously to boost ratings a bit.
I did not totally like the concept of the massive fleet since not even First Contact which showed us for the first time a massive fleet action sequence, even comes close to what we see later. Maybe it's just me but what is a Trek battle is a Star Trek II WoK type battle. Perhaps with a few ships on both sides, doing strategic moves, like chess. But doing it in a way that would make it suspenceful.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Yeah, I remember how much everyone hated "Call to Arms."
Posted by David Templar (Member # 580) on :
I for one like the massive fleet combats. It's rather rediculous for large empires not to engage in such things.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
But that throws the whole "we're the only ship in the quadrant" thing out the window. On the flipside, it makes the appearance of large fleets all the more important.
I happen to like the large-scale battles 'cuz of the 'splosions and stuff. However, it would have been much more in a proper perspective if we'd known just how much any given side was committing to a given battle. So the Feds threw 600 if their ships against the Dominion. So what? It may sound big, but for all we know it's barely a fraction of the total fighting force. Or the largest fraction. We just don't know, and we all know how this drives us crazy.
Mark
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
So... Matrix... you agree with me?
quote: A Few ships fighting throughout a solar system would be more the 'Trek' style. Utilising strategy and tactics - i.e. the rest of the crew).
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