Starfleet Academy/Checkov's Lost Missions addon - info available Starfleet Command - info available ST: Klingon Academy - info available SFC 2: Empires at War - info needed SFC: Orion Pirates - info needed
Birth of the Federation - info available
TNG Interactive TM - info available Starship Creator - info available Starship Creator Warp 2 - info available Star Trek: Borg - info needed DS9: The Fallen - info available DS9: Dominion Wars - info available *nearly done*
ST: Hidden Evil - info available VOY: Elite Force/Expansion pack addon - info available ST: Armada - info available
DS9: Harbinger - info needed
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[Original post]
...hehe, I love teasing titles.
I want to update my shiplist. The music's on, cheese pizza to the right, coke to the left, then let's begin.
The update will be the following: I plan to integrate the ships from Computer games. I know this is an area with lots of land mines and occasional canon airstrikes, but somehow I have the feeling that these are at least *somehow canon*. The Paramount quality controls, the original actors, the support by behind-the-scenes-people (like Okuda for example) and some more thing give it this "it's not canon, but it's not not canon either"-feeling. I'll make notes for those ships, of course, or change the chart's color or something like that.
What I need is some input. Allthough I have nost of the games, maybe someone finds something else.
I'll start the list with '25th anniversary', I'll ignore all the other programs that came before because this one was the first one to earn great attention and had the features I listed above.
If I forgot anything, tell me. I have no idea if there are any ST-games outside the PC (Playstation for example). The only game I know is Invasion, if anyone has some info on that game, tell me.
I can tell if there are any problems with the games I check. For the games I do not have, tell me if they are available as freeware and I can download them, or just tell me what ships/classes/registries you encountered while playing it.
I'll keep you up to date with the project. And thanks for any help you can offer.
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[ July 13, 2002, 13:41: Message edited by: Cpt. Kyle Amasov ]
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
Will this be Federation ships only, or aliens as well?
It's been a long time since I played "25th Anniversary," but I can recall a few things about the ships.
-- USS Republic, NCC-1371, Constitution Class. Severely damaged by an Elasi Pirate attack (as in many chunks blown out of the saucer). The captain of the ship was named, but I don't recall what it was.
-- USS Masada, NCC-XXXXXX [yes, a SIX DIGIT registry!], Ptolemy-class (class not identified in game, IIRC). This ship was captured by Elasi Pirates.
I'm not positive, but I believe that there was a second Constitution-class starship shown at the very beginning of the game. It might've been the Republic, but it could also have been a different ship.
A Federation research station was also shown in one of the missions, but I don't remember that name either.
If you REALLY need the info, I might be able to dig out the CD that the game is archived on and see if it'll run properly on my ten-years-newer OS. But that may take a while. Posted by USSMillennium74754 (Member # 822) on :
Does the Sega Genesis Star Trek: TNG Echoes from the Past count? Yes, they're console games but if you're including the TNG TM and Starship Creator... Plus Andy Probert did work on it.
Anyway, there's a Federation freighter called the S.S. Nakatomi. However, a registry with an NCC was given, and the crew wore Starfleet uniforms, so it's probably the same deal as with the Tsiolkovsky. IIRC, the registry was a four digit number like NCC-4721 or 4271... I'll have to pull out my old ship lists out of the archive to be sure. There are also three Ournal-class spacedocks... again I don't have the names or planets they orbit off the top of my head but I'm sure they're written down somewhere.
The DS9 SNES/Genesis game, Crossroads of Time, features yet another nameless runabout piloted by Kira (the registry on the cover may or may not correspond to it), and the U.S.S. Saratoga NCC-31911. There may have been a few generic ships shown destroyed in the Wolf 359 cutscenes, but I'm not sure. They definitely weren't named or pointed out, though.
[ July 11, 2002, 17:09: Message edited by: USSMillennium74754 ]
Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
quote:Will this be Federation ships only, or aliens as well?
Only Federation ships. If I wanted to include aliens, I would have to include new alien races, too, and that would be too much. And since my original shiplist is Federation only...
quote:It's been a long time since I played "25th Anniversary," but I can recall a few things about the ships.
-- USS Republic, NCC-1371, Constitution Class. Severely damaged by an Elasi Pirate attack (as in many chunks blown out of the saucer). The captain of the ship was named, but I don't recall what it was.
-- USS Masada, NCC-XXXXXX [yes, a SIX DIGIT registry!], Ptolemy-class (class not identified in game, IIRC). This ship was captured by Elasi Pirates.
I'm not positive, but I believe that there was a second Constitution-class starship shown at the very beginning of the game. It might've been the Republic, but it could also have been a different ship.
Wasn't there a USS St. Louis, too?
quote:A Federation research station was also shown in one of the missions, but I don't remember that name either.
Not that important, just ships.
quote:If you REALLY need the info, I might be able to dig out the CD that the game is archived on and see if it'll run properly on my ten-years-newer OS. But that may take a while.
That would be fantastic, allthough you should step back a few meters before running it, it may cause your computer to explode.
quote:Does the Sega Genesis Star Trek: TNG Echoes from the Past count? Yes, they're console games but if you're including the TNG TM and Starship Creator... Plus Andy Probert did work on it.
Sure, why not. There are several games I could have included (like all the 80's Simon&Schuster games for example) but I thought there should be a point where we start. I guess no one ever played those old text-adventures, some of them weren't even done by companies. Basically that's the reason I started with the first real successful Trek game, 25th Anniversary.
quote:Anyway, there's a Federation freighter called the S.S. Nakatomi. However, a registry with an NCC was given, and the crew wore Starfleet uniforms, so it's probably the same deal as with the Tsiolkovsky. IIRC, the registry was a four digit number like NCC-4721 or 4271... I'll have to pull out my old ship lists out of the archive to be sure. There are also three Ournal-class spacedocks... again I don't have the names or planets they orbit off the top of my head but I'm sure they're written down somewhere.
The DS9 SNES/Genesis game, Crossroads of Time, features yet another nameless runabout piloted by Kira (the registry on the cover may or may not correspond to it), and the U.S.S. Saratoga NCC-31911. There may have been a few generic ships shown destroyed in the Wolf 359 cutscenes, but I'm not sure. They definitely weren't named or pointed out, though.
I once found the homepage of one of the programmers of that game. He had a small chapter about the game and what he would have changed. He also mentioned Wolf and how his concept was shortened. (The Runabout's registry from the cover was NCC-1701-D or something, right? ). I can remember laucghing my ass off when I saw that in a shop ages ago. Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Uh, the programmer...and wasn't it lead designer, in fact? is quite likely reading your post right this very moment.
Posted by USSMillennium74754 (Member # 822) on :
quote:Originally posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov: I once found the homepage of one of the programmers of that game. He had a small chapter about the game and what he would have changed. He also mentioned Wolf and how his concept was shortened. (The Runabout's registry from the cover was NCC-1701-D or something, right? ). I can remember laucghing my ass off when I saw that in a shop ages ago.
Yeah, it would've been nice to see those changes... would've made a better game... but I enjoyed it nonetheless. And that's coming from someone who isn't big on DS9 at all.
Anyway, I think I'll try and dig this stuff up. It'll bother me otherwise. The runabout did have a weird registry now that you mention it... stupid Playmates...
Posted by MrNeutron (Member # 524) on :
quote:Originally posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov: I want to update my shiplist...I plan to integrate the ships from Computer games...If I forgot anything, tell me. I have no idea if there are any ST-games outside the PC (Playstation for example).
Well, in the Sega Genesis/SNES DS9: Crossroads of Time (1995) there were several Federation starships that appeared in the intro sequence to the Wolf 359 flashback level. One was the Saratoga (obviously), but three other ships appeared.
The Kadocsa (Hungarian, and pronounced "Ka-do-cha") was named for the Lead programmer, Mr. Kadocsa Tassonyi. I don't recall why I assigned the NCC as 1994-C, but it must have had something to do with the year when I came up with the ship, or something related to its namesake.
The McQuarrie was named for Ralph McQuarrie, and based on his concept paintings for the aborted Planet of Titans Trek film. I believe I assigned it NCC-1948 because it was a ship design I figured would land between the 1800s of the Mirandas and the Excelsior's 2000, being as the ship design was for a post-TOS movie.
The third ship was another McQuarrie. I never named it.
The ships designations were never shown in the game, but that's what they're labeled on all the documentation I have on it.
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
25th Anniversary/Judgment Rites
USS Alexander A Constitution-class vessel under the command of Captain Lucas Rayner. Commissioned at stardate 5961.1. Current missions are classified.
USS Cenurix Ulysses Montaya served aboard this ship.
USS Demeter A Federation science vessel under the command of Commander John Gellman. The ship is named after the Greed godess of agriculture. The Demeter is currently at Balkos III for scientific research.
USS Galahad This ship was commaned by Captain Joshua Mulrone.
USS Gallant This ship was commanded by Captain Chris Richards
USS Intrepid Tyler Garth served aboard this ship after graduation from Starfleet Academy.
USS Jersey Ulysses Montaya served aboard this ship.
USS Kazembe This ship was commanded by Captain L. T. Stone.
USS Lexington Tyler Garth served aboard this ship for a long time.
USS Maine This ship was commanded by Captain Jose Mendez.
USS Masada A Federation tug with the registry NCC-293391 under the command of Lt. Kevin Keeler. The ship has a crew of 17 and the computer-code is 293391-197736-3829.
USS Meridian This ship was commanded by Captain Joshua Royal
USS Olympus Mons A Constitution-class vessel under the command of Captain Garth Tyler. The Olympus Mons is currently stationed at Omega Curvus. Her mission is to defend the Sigma III outpost against the Elasi and to escort the famous poet Virchan on her tour to Symphony Alpha. The Olympus Mons was named after the flag ship of the Martian colonists.
USS Oxnard Jose Tyler served aboard the Oxnard as navigator.
USS Regulus Ulysses Montaya served aboard this ship.
USS Republic A Constitution-class vessel, registry NCC-1373, under the command of Captain Richard Patterson. Current non-classified assignments: Transport of an investigating committee to Vardaine, sensor scans of the remains of the Gadani II supernova.
USS Stalwart Chris Richards and James T. Kirk served aboard this ship.
USS Typhoon Lucas Rayner served aboard this ship for a long time.
USS Zimbabwe A Constitution-class vessel under the command of Captain Ulysses Montaya. Commissioned at stardate 5621.3. Current non-classified assignments: Transport of diplomats between Babel and Vulcan, search for missing ships in the Delphi sector.
Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
Memories of a time long ago...
Thanks for the link, Millenium, thanks for the info, Mr.'Programmer'. That's the sort of stuff that makes my life a bit easier. (The McQuarrie - was it based on the McQuarries Star Destroyer concepts for Phase 2? I have seen some images of a 'McQuarrie-class', and it was in fact one of those concepts. Just curious if you had the same idea at that time. )
Spike, that's fantastic. Think I have to add a third and fourth smilie...
Posted by MrNeutron (Member # 524) on :
quote:Originally posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov: Memories of a time long ago...
Thanks for the link, Millenium, thanks for the info, Mr.'Programmer'. That's the sort of stuff that makes my life a bit easier. (The McQuarrie - was it based on the McQuarries Star Destroyer concepts for Phase 2? I have seen some images of a 'McQuarrie-class', and it was in fact one of those concepts. Just curious if you had the same idea at that time. )
Yeah, it's based on one of the conceptual Enterprise designs done for Phase 2. Specifically, it's the one with the really large "star destroyer" body. The study model for same appears in The Art of Star Trek (with the nacelles turned around), and I think may be the ship in SpaceDock in ST3 (hiding behind the hub arm to screen left as the Enterprise docks).
I planned to also use the other study model (the one with the bigger nacelles and smaller secondary hull) as the basis for another ship in the battle, which would have been called the U.S.S. Titan (after the film it was designed for). This also appeared in a McQuarrie Painting.
For the record, the unnamed runabout in the game (not the box art) was the Rio Grande.
Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
Here's a link, a really nice image of the Star Destroyer-McQuarrie-class. You see what I mean ?
Posted by iam2xtreme (Member # 836) on :
The main ship from away team is the USS Incursion NX-74808. In the game it was listed as a modified defiant class but when you look at it from the outside and the level on its decks you realize that it is far too big to be one. So in my shiplist I list it as the prototype for the Incursion class, due to the NX- registry. also featured in the game is an Akira class, the Uss Leyte Gulf NCC-71427.
[ July 12, 2002, 01:52: Message edited by: iam2xtreme ]
Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
iam2xtreme, thanks for the registries of the ships.(I don't have savegames, this means I would have had to play the whole game to find out. )
One question though; In one of the later missions, you encounter a Nebula-class ship that has been assimilated by the Borg. Do you remember if it was the Monitor?
OK people, here's a little teaser, just the chart, including 3 games (Generations, Bridge Commander und Crossroads of Time) with description of each ship. This is a rough beta version, just to let you see how the finished thing will look like. I'm currently working on a way to find out which files contain ship-names and shuch things for different games like Starfleet Command or BotF. Anyway, here it is: this evil little thing took the whole night to finish
Some call me a 'workaholic', I hate holidays. Maybe that's the reason I do this. Next on my to-do-list are Judgement Rites (see Spike's post) and then Armada 2.
Posted by MrNeutron (Member # 524) on :
quote:Originally posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov: Here's a link, a really nice image of the Star Destroyer-McQuarrie-class. You see what I mean ?
Funny. That looks nothing much like the Phase 2 designs McQuarrie painted. Only the secondary hull shape is vaguely reminiscent of it.
Posted by David Templar (Member # 580) on :
Hmm... It's been a while, but I think the only Federation ship in "A Final Unity" was the Ent-D, and I don't recall any ship in ST:Klingon other than a BoP.
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
quote: It's been a while, but I think the only Federation ship in "A Final Unity" was the Ent-D
If you destroy the E-D, Starfleet will send the USS Hood on a search mission IIRC.
Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
Wonderful. 3 more down, approximately 127 more to go.
Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
quote:Originally posted by MrNeutron:
quote:Originally posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov: Here's a link, a really nice image of the Star Destroyer-McQuarrie-class. You see what I mean ?
Funny. That looks nothing much like the Phase 2 designs McQuarrie painted. Only the secondary hull shape is vaguely reminiscent of it.
As far as I remember, his drawings had very flat secondary hulls. As did the models built later. Maybe those guys thought that wouldn't work and modified it. The pictures are good, what I don't like is the fact that they Constitutionized them. The McQuarrie or Apollo or whatever you like to call it should have a unique design lineage. For all we know ST:III somehow canonized the design, as did BoBW and Reunion. As a matter of fact, the ships should be accepted with the shape they have been constructed. The problem is that I never saw a good schematic of them besides the concept sketches and some ugly little b/w-gifs.
Posted by MrNeutron (Member # 524) on :
quote:Originally posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov:
quote:Originally posted by MrNeutron:
quote:Originally posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov: Here's a link, a really nice image of the Star Destroyer-McQuarrie-class. You see what I mean ?
Funny. That looks nothing much like the Phase 2 designs McQuarrie painted. Only the secondary hull shape is vaguely reminiscent of it.
As far as I remember, his drawings had very flat secondary hulls. As did the models built later. Maybe those guys thought that wouldn't work and modified it. The pictures are good, what I don't like is the fact that they Constitutionized them. The McQuarrie or Apollo or whatever you like to call it should have a unique design lineage. For all we know ST:III somehow canonized the design, as did BoBW and Reunion. As a matter of fact, the ships should be accepted with the shape they have been constructed. The problem is that I never saw a good schematic of them besides the concept sketches and some ugly little b/w-gifs.
At one point I sort of reverse-engineered the "Titan" version of the Phase 2 ship from the photographs of the study model (the best ones I've seen are in The Art of Star Trek), with the intention of scratchbuilding a model based on it. A big problem was that the sketches of the design never quite gave anough detail on the bottom of the secondary hull, and I've never seen a photo of the underside of the study model.
Some features I really liked was the big impulse pack that stuck out from under the ship and appeared to become the floor of the super-huge hangar deck.
Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
Status update: Nearly half of it is done. One question for Spike: does 25th Anniversary/Judgement Rites give any stardate and or year? I guess something between 2266 and 2269, but maybe they made a log entry or something.
Anyway, you would be surprised how much you can find once you broke through the surface.
And I decided to write a small class identification chart for the file, too, since there will be many people asking what an Aegian or Achilles class is. One question though: Should I mention new info for canon classes, too, or just write about entirely new classes?
Two things I need badly: Star Trek Invasion - who played it? Any registry for the Typhon? Any other ships named? I saw a Steamrunner on some promo pics, for example. And it seems nobody ever played the damn game! Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
Judgment Rites mentioned a stardate. I'm not sure about 25th Anniversary. I'll install the games sometime today but now I need desperately some sleep.
Posted by USSMillennium74754 (Member # 822) on :
quote:Originally posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov: Two things I need badly: Star Trek Invasion - who played it? Any registry for the Typhon? Any other ships named? I saw a Steamrunner on some promo pics, for example. And it seems nobody ever played the damn game!
AFAIK, there was no Steamrunner in the game. The only ships were the Typhon, NX-85808, and the Enterprise-E. I could be wrong...
Posted by Ultra Magnus Pym (Member # 239) on :
*cough*
[ July 15, 2002, 07:27: Message edited by: Ultra Magnus Pym ]
Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
Holy Roddenberry! Get into contact with me, I think I have an idea...
Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
"Here's a link, a really nice image of the Star Destroyer-McQuarrie-class. You see what I mean ?"
I know all about this particular ship, because I was there when it was designed. This particular ship was designed by a fellow named Nick Porcino (aka Meshula), who's a game programmer and game designer at Lucas Arts. He's a member of a TOS/Pre-TOS ship design group I belong to. He designed it as an homage to Ralph McQuarrie, who he met during his work at Lucas Arts. As is obvious, it's only roughly based on the Phase II ships designed by RMQ and has been thoroughly Connied. It originally had a "through deck" design with a 2 doors in back and one in front. All noncanon, of course.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Does the preview to "The Secret of Vulcan Fury" count?
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
the preview is one of the best 30 seconds i ever experienced in my life. i NEEDED that game so bad.. and TOS would rock as a CGI show, the characters looked so good in that.
Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
I've taken the libery of extracting all the names used in Birth of the Federation to a binary file. Open with your favorite hex editor.
I think I'll do the same with the SFC-files. I know where the Klingon Academy files are (- should be), but I have savegames for every mission, so it wont be a problem finding out which ship did what where and when. Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
Because I don't know how often I'll be online during this week (probably not that often), here's the yet-to-finish expanded version of the chart. If there's any error you notice, or something else, just contact me.
Judgment Rites starts at stardate 6223.8. I don't think there was a stardate given in 25th Anniversary.
Apropos extracting. Does anyone know how to extract the library files of Judgment Rites?
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
I thought I had lost the preview movie to Secret of Vulcan Fury forever until recently I decided to play Starfleet Academy which I had bought at a sale a few years ago. It was on there - I didn't know what I was clicking but when the music and the 'woosh' came up I was SO happy! ;o)
Andrew
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
weve got to find a way to resave that and share it.. i remember it was a small executable file and thn a large data file but i had no idea how to make it into something more standard when i was copying it.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
*seaches through all 6 discs*
I can't find it, bugger. What's the file name?
Posted by QuinnTV (Member # 859) on :
Has anyone seen any starships in the game "New Worlds"? At least, I think that's the name of the game. I don't know anyone who's played it, and even though it's a planetary-based ST game, I wonder if it might have runabouts and supply ships in it.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
It's an executable file - and I'm guessing it's on the first disc.
Still can't find it? Then I'll get the discs out.
Posted by nx001a (Member # 291) on :
Wasn't a U.S.S. Ayers mentioned in Star Trek A Final Unity?
You seem to have missed the U.S.S. Ulysses from the DS9 Fallen game.
[ July 17, 2002, 03:29: Message edited by: nx001a ]
Posted by USSMillennium74754 (Member # 822) on :
quote:Originally posted by QuinnTV: Has anyone seen any starships in the game "New Worlds"? At least, I think that's the name of the game. I don't know anyone who's played it, and even though it's a planetary-based ST game, I wonder if it might have runabouts and supply ships in it.
Yep... I couldn't play it all the way through since it was so bad, though. The Enterprise class U.S.S. Explorer NCC-1966 (destroyed in a crash-landing on a planet in the Tabula Rasa area) was the only Federation ship that I saw before I gave up on it...
And the Nakatomi's registry is NCC-4721. Do you need any other specifics on it, like what its role was? Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
quote:Wasn't a U.S.S. Ayers mentioned in Star Trek A Final Unity?
Yes, the Enterprise-D found debris of the Ayers. It was identified as an Ambassador-class vessel.
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
The Nakatomi...ha.
Was her captain Yashinobo Takagi or Hans Gruber? I'd think it'd go without saying that John McLane was her CSEC...
Posted by QuinnTV (Member # 859) on :
quote:Originally posted by Shik: The Nakatomi...ha.
Was her captain Yashinobo Takagi or Hans Gruber? I'd think it'd go without saying that John McLane was her CSEC...
Well, then, I suppose that the motto on the ship's plaque reads "Yippie-kai-a!" (or however you spell it) Posted by nx001a (Member # 291) on :
I don't remember the U.S.S. Ayers being destroyed. I remember some outpost saying the USS Ayers was in the area.
Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
I see you all missed me. I'll take some time for this, but your all-time favourite captain wont be back until monday.
Here's what I have to say, my supporters:
- I'll add the additional information as soon as possible (tonight). - I didn't add the Ulysses yet because I didn't add The Fallen yet. - More information about the Nakatomi would be goood, especially the stuff that goes right into the chart: Captain and a quick mission overview (soemthing like '...was present at Starbase 47 during this-and-that in the Neutral Zone.') - New Worlds didn't feature any new vessels besides the Explorer, but you should check out www.interplay.com/stnewworlds, where you'll find several flash-episodes telling the background story of the game. That's where I got most of the information. - Did I forget anything?
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
quote:Originally posted by USSMillennium74754: The Enterprise class U.S.S. Explorer NCC-1966
Grrrrrr... Posted by USSMillennium74754 (Member # 822) on :
quote:Originally posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim:
quote:Originally posted by USSMillennium74754: The Enterprise class U.S.S. Explorer NCC-1966
The captain wasn't given a name, but he was an alien with some generic facial bulges, and wore a gold Starfleet uniform with four pips. The freighter was hijacked in orbit of Tytris Iota IV by the Chodak during first contact with the Federation, shortly before the Trinity Test. The Enterprise-D responds to the distress call, and depending on how successful you are, the ship is either liberated or disappears somewhere in the Verinitor cluster.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
So, you're one of those fellows who places one occurrence over every other onscreen and official text reference (with the exception of Mr. Scott's Guide) at a higher level of credibility.
That could easily mean it's an Enterprise-class simulator or, even more brain-numbingly obvious, the simulator in use by the Enterprise training class. Of course, I know Probert wanted the ship to be Enterprise-class, but it just didn't ever catch on...
You're clinging to dreams and fantasies, my friend. Posted by USSMillennium74754 (Member # 822) on :
^ Sure do, and proudly so. I'm not out for blood like some people (*cough*Jamesdixon*cough*) but I don't believe everything I read in the Star Trek Encyclopedia... that's just boring IMHO. But to each their own, I guess.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Oh please, let's not get into this argument again...
It goes like this. If we follow what is onscreen, then the original Enterprise was a Starship-class. If we go by what Propert wanted, it was an Enterprise class. If we go by what everyone in charge of Star Trek has believed since 1989, then the NCC-1701 and the NCC-1701-A are Constition class, refit or no.
Jesus, it's like arguing evolution with Omega.
Back to the original topic! Yay! What was it?
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Oh, I played Harbinger (much as I don't want to admit to it), and I don't recall any ships other than the Defiant being in it.
And regarding mistakes in the list, there is one. You might want to fix the spelling of our favourite Russian Navigator/Security chief/Whatever the hell he was doing in ST VI.
Posted by Ultra Magnus Pym (Member # 239) on :
Harbinger was good, damn you. It was the first PC game I got with my new Pentium 133, and I loved it like an extrabodilial growth.
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
I think the runabout in "Harbinger" was the Hudson.
Posted by nx001a (Member # 291) on :
I always thought that the Enterprise and other similar ships were Enterprise (II) Class ships.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
You thought wrong. Posted by Red BWC (Member # 818) on :
No! He is right!!! In The Wrath of Khan a display can be seen labled as USS ENTERPRISE NCC-1701 ENTERPRISE CLASS I remember seeing it on the net someplace. (Scurries of to EAS)
Posted by Ultra Magnus Pym (Member # 239) on :
Holy Christ.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
quote:Originally posted by Red BWC: No! He is right!!! In The Wrath of Khan a display can be seen labled as USS ENTERPRISE NCC-1701 ENTERPRISE CLASS I remember seeing it on the net someplace. (Scurries of to EAS)
No, it reads MK IV SIMULATOR ENTERPRISE-CLASS
Posted by Red BWC (Member # 818) on :
ENTERPRISE CLASS
See? Enterprise Class!!
Posted by J (Member # 608) on :
Back to this again.... can't we do anything better in the off season?
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
CONSTITUTION-CLASS
See? Constitution-class!!!
Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
Cronenburg needs to make a movie about this.
Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
*flashback to horrific experiences of nauseatingly long-winded and unbearably super-heated arguments at TrekBBS*
Guys... fight your battle elsewhere. Please?
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
Don't try to enforce your opinion over those of others, BWC and MMoM. There's evidence for both. Everyone is free to choose what he/she wants to believe.
[ July 22, 2002, 02:09: Message edited by: Spike ]
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Yes they are. Just as people are free to chose between evolution or creationism. And if you want to pick the team that thinks after God created the Earth in 6 days he created the Enterprise-class starship, then fair enough.
Posted by CaptainMike: Director's Edition (Member # 709) on :
think outside the box.
you are both right.
(and also, you are both wrong, since, if both names are right, arguing over it is the most retarded thing you could do.. get the "fuck" over it...)
end transmission.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Not as retarded as using expressions like "think outside the box" though...
Posted by CaptainMike: Director's Edition (Member # 709) on :
true enough..
i heard someone say that saying 'think outside of the box' indicates that the person who is saying it is thinking hopelessly within the box.
odd that that didnt convince me not to use it though.. just like i never use the terms 'paradigm' or 'pro-active' because of a Simpson's episode...
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
"Itchy & Scratchy & Pooch", which I believe might have been the first appearence of that hi-powered business woman who keeps changing hair styles and jobs...
I think the point though is valid, if slightly different in this case. People do resort to using cliched expressions to make their point, as if simply saying them somehow negates the need for an actual argument.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
quote:Originally posted by PsyLiam: Yes they are. Just as people are free to chose between evolution or creationism. And if you want to pick the team that thinks after God created the Earth in 6 days he created the Enterprise-class starship, then fair enough.
Damn I love you, you frigging stand-up comedian, you! Posted by nx001a (Member # 291) on :
Why can't we have a constitution (II) class but they designated all vessels built like the Enterprise as a subclass aka Enterprise Class. While the Enterprise-A was an Enterprise(II) Class which was a subclass of the Constitution Class unless you follow what is written in the ships of the starfleet that the Enterprise and Constitution Class are different ships all together.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Yes. What?
Posted by nx001a (Member # 291) on :
What i am trying to say is can we have both Enterprise and Constitution (II) Class.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Excellent. Glad that's all sorted then.
Posted by Red BWC (Member # 818) on :
Or, the refit Connie can be Constitution II class, and new ships built to that configuration are Enterprise Class, and the variant we saw in TUC can be Enterprise II class.
Posted by Ultra Magnus Pym (Member # 239) on :
Or, we can have a Pasta Class, a Flaming-Baby Class and a Frozen Neanderthal Man Class.
Or we could go by what was actually presented to us by the Bigwigs, instead of making up inane bullshit.
But hey, keep up the habitu� de garcon. Yay!
Posted by Thoughtchopper (Member # 480) on :
I always wanted to see a "No Class". Or a "Classy Freddie Blassie Class".
"Destroy All Monsters Class" is also nice.
Posted by CaptainMike: Director's Edition (Member # 709) on :
I was hoping the runabout U.S.S. Ng from the DS9 reboot would get refit into a new class no one knew how to say.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
There was a connie-varient in TUC? Where?
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
There was none. I don't even know how this whole Enterprise (II) class got started since the design of that and the Enterprise (sub)class is exactly the same. And of course the E-A model is exactly the same one as was built as the E-nil for TMP.
Posted by iam2xtreme (Member # 836) on :
star trek borg featured the uss righteous, excelsior class, ncc-42451
Posted by CaptainMike: Director's Edition (Member # 709) on :
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