I know, I know, I probably don't need to start a new thread...but I have, it's done, so sue me...er...whatever...
I've gotten everything switched over to the new server and all of Starfleet is up and running. (If you notice any broken links or anything that doesn't appear to be working right, please tell me.) I've updated a few things and what not. (Shik and EdipisReks will be happy to know that I've corrected my rather glaring historical oversight in the Bonhomme Richard entry. ) I've also added a "condensed version" for quick review. I'll try to work on getting at least a good portion of the Federation section up before Thanksgiving.
much better. *bookmarked* Posted by The Red Admiral (Member # 602) on :
Very good work. No real nits, though the Rhode Island should go before the Rio Grande, if you're sticking to alphabetical order..
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
Just to let you know, somewhere there's a number of 74222 being bandied about for the Sovereign. I know Tom Sasser picked it up for use on his decals, & I think it came from RAST. Not certain, though.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
quote:Originally posted by The Red Admiral: Very good work. No real nits, though the Rhode Island should go before the Rio Grande, if you're sticking to alphabetical order...
Whoops!
quote:Originally posted by Shik: Just to let you know, somewhere there's a number of 74222 being bandied about for the Sovereign. I know Tom Sasser picked it up for use on his decals, & I think it came from RAST. Not certain, though.
This is one of those things that has been said for a very long time, but never once has anyone come up with conclusive evidence of where it came from or any degree of reliability to it, so I've kind of written it off as fan myth. (It's not like the Intrepid's number, which did come from Sternbach originally despite what has been said to the contrary, and lo & behold it has now come to be used onscreen in Nemesis!) But if you've got any new information, I'm listening...
-MMoM Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
Nevermind, answered my own question...
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
INSIGNIFICANT UPDATE: Fixed the alphabetization error and added a pair of Yamato screencaps that Spikey made for me.
-MMoM
P.S. What was your question, The359? Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
I had never payed close attention to that casualty list you've got there before, but I did now, and started wondering what exactly happened to the Akagi to 21 people to go missing. Creepy. Also, a battle at a Starbase! There's an unseen thing I'd like to see.
Uh, anyway, yeah.
Posted by Starship Millennium (Member # 822) on :
Excellent work, MMoM. Great reference, and much improved server. I'll put a link up at TBG next update.
Just noticed a few things though... the Bozeman screencap as well as the studio model pics of the Firebrand and Princeton look amazingly like the ones I made. Not that I'm keeping track or anything. And under the Trinculo entry, the episode "Sacrifice of Angels" is called "Sacrifice of Angles." And I don't totally agree with including the retouched images of the Constitutions from the Encyclopedia, but to each his own, I guess.
Overall, pretty sweet.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
So you are going with the '5xxxx' registry for the Prometheus?
Wasn't it corrected by Okuda somewhere?
If that is corrected - I wasn the Budapest, Appalacia and the Yeager corrected too. They are ALL 7xxxx's not 5's 6's and 8's.
If they are old ships that have been refit that extensively - why haven't we seen other 4's 5's and 6's upgraded like that!?!
Maybe the Sovereign is really and upgraded Excelsior!?! Not.
The (re)appearance of double-secondary hulls. Forward shuttlebays, not to mention many Defiant, Galaxy, Intrepid and Sovereign-esque features makes me think these are newer ships - post Galaxy.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
"NAR-25820 Sydney Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country"
What was this!?! The orbital shuttle!?! I don't believe that this was a Sydney class. The Sydney class is quite large.
Posted by Dr. Phlox (Member # 878) on :
^ Yeah, that's called an Executive Shuttle in most places, including the canonish Fact Files.
And in the entry for the Danube class U.S.S. Shenandoah it says the ship was "attacked by the Jem�Hadar and destroyed." Well, we don't really know if it was destroyed, it might've just been abandoned, they sorta forgot about it after Jake and Nog were beamed to the Valiant. Since the rest of your list is strictly canon, it might be a good idea to mention that no one said what happened to the ship in the episode, but you presume it was destroyed.
Btw, I like the way you're including info from TAS as well. Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
It's more likely that the Odyssey was (more) named after one of Homer's epics than the command module of Apollo 13.
Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
A few nits/comments: 1. Princeton is in New Jersey, not Pennsylvania! 2. You should mention the Russian battleship Potemkin rather than or inaddition to the General. Probably better known because of the movie. 3. For Sequoia, I'd mention the guy who developed the Cherokee script, for whom the treee was named. 4. Spector might be named for Phil Spector, the famous record producer. 5. In War of the Worlds, "Thunder Child" is two words. 6. Re: Lollipop http://www.reelclassics.com/Actresses/Shirley/goodship-lyrics.htm Posted by Solommagnus de Pym (Member # 239) on :
Spector could be in reference to Gaming Guru Warren Spector. Given the source of the name, perhaps it most likely is.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Nash could be named after John Nash who was depicted in "A Beautiful Mind".
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
I was gonna say the same thing about John Nash. Also, I think Brisbane is the capital of Australia. Any Aussies out there who can confirm, because the capital could have been moved and my information could be out of date?
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dat: I was gonna say the same thing about John Nash. Also, I think Brisbane is the capital of Australia. Any Aussies out there who can confirm, because the capital could have been moved and my information could be out of date?
Um, yeah I live in Brisbane - and... I don't see the captial moving here - it has been and always shall be... Canberra. It has it's own territory - the Australian Capital Territory.It is a planned city since Federation in 1901.
Brisbane is the Capital of the State of Queensland.
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
Well, I knew it wasn't Sydney. Now that I go further into my brain, I knew Canberra was the capital. I'm not sure why I even said Brisbane. Maybe it was because I was trying to recall all the (big) Australian cities and the ones that I could recall, most I knew wasn't the capital. Brisbane did stick out as a maybe in my head. (Probably because it is a capital... of Queensland, that is... and not Australia.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
NP.
Canberra and 'old Parliament House' was opened in 1921 (I think)... from 1901 Parliament wasn't held in Sydney as most would think (As it is the largest city) but in Melbourne.
Canberra means 'meeting place' or something like that in that area's local Aboriginal language.
Canberra is a planned city there was a competition and it was one by Walter Burley Griffin.
Sydney was the first founded city (and first permanent white settlement - but some think that Cooktown in Far North Queensland might be - as that is where he, his crew and the Endeavour landed and stayed for several weeks->months repairing their ship which had been breached? by the coral of the Great Barrier Reef. He took the time to navigate out of the coral reefs.
The second White settlement after Sydney was Hobart in southern Tasmania which was called Van Dieman's land then (It is the captial of Tasmania). George Town (or mainly) Launceston in Northern Tasmania was the third White settlement. Launceston actually had a sewer system before such cities as Paris!! (I was walking around Launceston once and walked down an old cobblestone alleyway that had a lot of interesting information).
I think the order then was
Melbourne (now Capital of Victoria) Brisbane (Named after New South Wales Governer Thomas Brisbane (now Captial of Queensland) Adelaide (Named After Queen Adelaide) (now Capital of South Australia and the first ((I think) free settlement town) Perth (now Capital of Western Australia) Darwin (Named after Charles Darwin - the S.S. Beagle stopped here) (Captial of the Northern Territory and Canberra capital of the A.C.T. and Australia and it's territories.
Australia was back before it was discovered "Terra Australis" (Unknown Southern Land) Explorers thought that there out to be a large continent in the Southern hemisphere to match the large continent of Eurasia in the Northern Hemisphere!)
Then named New Holland by Dutch Explorers that skirted and charted parts of the west coast, the southern tips of WA and Tasmania and the west coast of Cape York Pennisula. Most were blown off course trying to reach the Dutch East Indies (Indonesia) or the Spice Islands. They found the coasts and assumed the land, barren and inhospitable.
Then in 1770 by way of New Zealand, Captain James T. Cook discovered the Eastern Coast of Australia and Charted it, landed and claimed it in the name of the British Empire.
At this time it was called New South Wales (all of it) Except Tasmania which was called Van Deiman's land.
Then the eastern part was all New South Wales (except Tas) the middle South Australia and the West, Western Australia.
Then gradually States were formed
Tasmania, Victoria, Queensland and New South Wales.
The Northern Territory was then formed from the northern half of South Australia and in the early twentieth century the Australian Captial Territory was formed.
Australia has the largest area of ocean under it's administration. Australia has the largest area of Antarctica under it's administration.
Some of it's territories include Heard Is. MacQuarrie Island (both uninhabited except for birds/penguins and elephant seas - oh and a few research scientists). Also under it's administration is Lord Howe Island. Norfolk Island (to an extent) (of the Mutiny on the Bounty fame). The Cocos (Keeling Islands) and Christmas Island.
It is the only continent to have one country. It is the second largest island (the largest being Greenland) It has the largest sand island (Fraser Island) It unfortunately has the greatest extinction rate of Fauna (and Flora?) It is the driest continent (yet moronic arsonist and pyromaniacs continue to light bushfires that destroy homes and kill people). It is very large and it's like 1500km between Brisbane and Sydney. It has some of the oldest living extant animals (like the Lung Fish)
Oh enough random facts!
There you go a bit of Australian geography, History, Biology and factoids for you all and some names for your starships!
The U.S.S. Lungfish!! Maybe a TAS aquashuttle!?! Posted by o2 (Member # 907) on :
Where is this USS Hermes (NCC-585) comming from?
I just watched the opening scene of STTWOK with the K.M. test and couldn't find anything!
Is there a screen shot (from the movie) available?
Thanks
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Supposedly it can be seen on the round computer displays as seen on the Enterprise and the Reliant.
Can someone explain the difference between the Hermes and Saladin classes - I looked at someone's schematic oncee and they looked exactly the same.
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
The Saladin-class has more weapons than the Hermes.
Posted by Identity Crisis (Member # 67) on :
Saladin masses slightly more, has a slightly larger crew and carries more weaponry (3 phaser banks plus trops versus 1 phaser bank and no torps). That's all the differences given in the Star Fleet Technical Manual. The only differences in the external views are the extra weapon ports.
Presumably there are more differences internally - the Hermes must do something with the extra space it has and extended cargo space, more labs and more and/or better sensors would all make sense for a scout compared to a destroyer.
Posted by o2 (Member # 907) on :
quote: Supposedly it can be seen on the round computer displays as seen on the Enterprise and the Reliant.
So, is the Hermes visible on the screen?
Any screen-caps available?
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Yes, can be seen on screen. Only schematics, though. Go to ex astris scientia (Bernd's site) I think it's there: http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/
Or maybe at the Neutral Zone:
Bummer - I've lost the URL... anyone?
BTW is the Neutral Zone Pin'a'Sovs'? What was his place's URL and who is he called now?
And is there a side view of that Ptolemy Class - from the top it looks like a TOS Miranda!!
AND just something else - at your site Spike, under the official missing list that was on DS9 and in the DS9 Companion - how come there is a 'Nemesis' listing there - the reUSE it for Nemesis!?! I mean... guh!
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
Andrew.
Posted by Identity Crisis (Member # 67) on :
quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: Did Gene ever comment on the FASA stuff?
Gene Rodenberry? Not to my knowledge. His 'rules' of starship design were invented to invalidate the Technical Manual ships, but coincidentally invalidated a number of FASA designs as well.
quote:And is there a side view of that Ptolemy Class - from the top it looks like a TOS Miranda!!
The similarity has been spotted before. Some people have written stuff about how the Miranda was designed to act as an escort for Ptolemy class vessels and the visual similarity was to confuse attackers - but that ignores the fact that when the Ptolemy is attached to its crago pod(s) it looks nothing like a Miranda.
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
quote:AND just something else - at your site Spike, under the official missing list that was on DS9 and in the DS9 Companion - how come there is a 'Nemesis' listing there - the reUSE it for Nemesis!?! I mean... guh!
No, this Nemesis has nothing to do with the movie. It's the nickname of the person who sent me this list.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Thanks for the replies, guys! Posted by The Red Admiral (Member # 602) on :
o2
quote:So, is the Hermes visible on the screen?
The computer display of the Saladin and Ptolemy from TWOK:
You forgot the parts about the criminals and the flogging. Sheesh. What kind of history leaves out the flogging?
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
Wow, you guys are on top of stuff.
I knew that between all of us we could compensate for my deficiencies in history, geography, spelling!
I'll try to get stuff updated this afternoon, after I get home. Thanks for all the scrutiny.
-MMoM
P.S. Yes, the Hermes is visible in TWOK. You can tell that it's distinct from the Saladin because of the arrows drawn to the dorsal saucer phaser banks. (Which the Saladin doesn't have.)
Posted by LET CAPTAIN = MIKE THEN GOSUB 420 (Member # 709) on :
quote:Originally posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim: P.S. Yes, the Hermes is visible in TWOK. You can tell that it's distinct from the Saladin because of the arrows drawn to the dorsal saucer phaser banks. (Which the Saladin doesn't have.)
Did you find yourself experiencing sexual excitement when you realized that?
Posted by Identity Crisis (Member # 67) on :
quote:Originally posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim: Yes, the Hermes is visible in TWOK. You can tell that it's distinct from the Saladin because of the arrows drawn to the dorsal saucer phaser banks. (Which the Saladin doesn't have.)
The Saladin does have dorsal phaser banks and they are labelled in the Technical Manual.
The Hermes does not have dorsal phaser banks and so does not have any label for them in the Technical Manual.
So did you mean to say that the Hermes is shown in TWOK because the arrow is not visible?
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
quote:Originally posted by Identity Crisis:
quote:Originally posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim: Yes, the Hermes is visible in TWOK. You can tell that it's distinct from the Saladin because of the arrows drawn to the dorsal saucer phaser banks. (Which the Saladin doesn't have.)
The Saladin does have dorsal phaser banks and they are labelled in the Technical Manual.
The Hermes does not have dorsal phaser banks and so does not have any label for them in the Technical Manual.
So did you mean to say that the Hermes is shown in TWOK because the arrow is not visible?
Whoops!
Yes, that's what I meant. I just flip-flopped the names...
-MMoM Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
Mmmmmmmm.. dorsal phaser banks
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
Okay, this is a long post, so bear with me and look for your segment:
quote:Originally posted by Starship Millennium: …the Bozeman screencap as well as the studio model pics of the Firebrand and Princeton look amazingly like the ones I made. Not that I'm keeping track or anything. And under the Trinculo entry, the episode "Sacrifice of Angels" is called "Sacrifice of Angles." And I don't totally agree with including the retouched images of the Constitutions from the Encyclopedia, but to each his own, I guess.
Sorry about the Bozeman credit. Before I replaced it with your DVD cap, I had one there from the Neutral Zone, so that’s why the NZ credit was still there. The Firebrand and Princeton pic I got from Ex-Astris-Scientia. (Perhaps you did make it, I don’t know, but I generally credit the site I took it from.) And thanks for spelling error notice. Done and done. As to the Connie pics, I know they’re a little iffy, but that’s why I specifically state the source and the circumstances under which they were created in the entries.
quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: So you are going with the '5xxxx' registry for the Prometheus?
Wasn't it corrected by Okuda somewhere?
If that is corrected - I wasn the Budapest, Appalacia and the Yeager corrected too. They are ALL 7xxxx's not 5's 6's and 8's.
If they are old ships that have been refit that extensively - why haven't we seen other 4's 5's and 6's upgraded like that!?!
Maybe the Sovereign is really and upgraded Excelsior!?! Not.
The (re)appearance of double-secondary hulls. Forward shuttlebays, not to mention many Defiant, Galaxy, Intrepid and Sovereign-esque features makes me think these are newer ships - post Galaxy.
Firstly, I am indeed going with NX-59650 for the Prometheus, as I always have. My reasons for this are essentially stated in the entry’s notes. I find it rather too difficult to ignore the highly-visible number, (Brattain issue aside) especially since every single official publication uses it. Even the Encyclopedia, written by Okuda and which displays the MSD and dedication plaque on which the NX-74913 number, lists the lower number in the main text. I know there will be many who disagree with this, but that’s how I’m leaving it---with the 59650 number in the main entry text and notes about the other, perhaps more “reasonable” number in the annotations.
Secondly, I understand your point about the First Contact vessels. I too have always maintained that they were most likely new vessel designs at the time of the movie. I have no intention of ret-conning their registries, though. I prefer to simply chalk it up to another unexplained “glitch” in the sequential/chronological registry scheme.
quote:"NAR-25820 Sydney Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country"
What was this!?! The orbital shuttle!?! I don't believe that this was a Sydney class. The Sydney class is quite large.
Yes, I shall be amending that when I get to that point in the Federation list.
quote: Nash could be named after John Nash who was depicted in "A Beautiful Mind".
It could be, but I think the idea that it was named for the motion-control/VFX guy is more likely, considering that the ship was never really supposed to be seen closely and was more of an in-joke.
quote: Canberra and 'old Parliament House' was opened in 1921 (I think)... from 1901 Parliament wasn't held in Sydney as most would think (As it is the largest city) but in Melbourne.
Canberra means 'meeting place' or something like that in that area's local Aboriginal language.
Canberra is a planned city there was a competition and it was one by Walter Burley Griffin.
Sydney was the first founded city (and first permanent white settlement - but some think that Cooktown in Far North Queensland might be - as that is where he, his crew and the Endeavour landed and stayed for several weeks->months repairing their ship which had been breached? by the coral of the Great Barrier Reef. He took the time to navigate out of the coral reefs.
The second White settlement after Sydney was Hobart in southern Tasmania which was called Van Dieman's land then (It is the captial of Tasmania). George Town (or mainly) Launceston in Northern Tasmania was the third White settlement. Launceston actually had a sewer system before such cities as Paris!! (I was walking around Launceston once and walked down an old cobblestone alleyway that had a lot of interesting information).
I think the order then was
Melbourne (now Capital of Victoria) Brisbane (Named after New South Wales Governer Thomas Brisbane (now Captial of Queensland) Adelaide (Named After Queen Adelaide) (now Capital of South Australia and the first ((I think) free settlement town) Perth (now Capital of Western Australia) Darwin (Named after Charles Darwin - the S.S. Beagle stopped here) (Captial of the Northern Territory and Canberra capital of the A.C.T. and Australia and it's territories.
Australia was back before it was discovered "Terra Australis" (Unknown Southern Land) Explorers thought that there out to be a large continent in the Southern hemisphere to match the large continent of Eurasia in the Northern Hemisphere!)
Then named New Holland by Dutch Explorers that skirted and charted parts of the west coast, the southern tips of WA and Tasmania and the west coast of Cape York Pennisula. Most were blown off course trying to reach the Dutch East Indies (Indonesia) or the Spice Islands. They found the coasts and assumed the land, barren and inhospitable.
Then in 1770 by way of New Zealand, Captain James T. Cook discovered the Eastern Coast of Australia and Charted it, landed and claimed it in the name of the British Empire.
At this time it was called New South Wales (all of it) Except Tasmania which was called Van Deiman's land.
Then the eastern part was all New South Wales (except Tas) the middle South Australia and the West, Western Australia.
Then gradually States were formed
Tasmania, Victoria, Queensland and New South Wales.
The Northern Territory was then formed from the northern half of South Australia and in the early twentieth century the Australian Captial Territory was formed.
Australia has the largest area of ocean under it's administration. Australia has the largest area of Antarctica under it's administration.
Some of it's territories include Heard Is. MacQuarrie Island (both uninhabited except for birds/penguins and elephant seas - oh and a few research scientists). Also under it's administration is Lord Howe Island. Norfolk Island (to an extent) (of the Mutiny on the Bounty fame). The Cocos (Keeling Islands) and Christmas Island.
It is the only continent to have one country. It is the second largest island (the largest being Greenland) It has the largest sand island (Fraser Island) It unfortunately has the greatest extinction rate of Fauna (and Flora?) It is the driest continent (yet moronic arsonist and pyromaniacs continue to light bushfires that destroy homes and kill people). It is very large and it's like 1500km between Brisbane and Sydney. It has some of the oldest living extant animals (like the Lung Fish)
AHHH!!!!!!!!! TOO MUCH INFORMATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SENSORY OVERLOAD!!!!!!!!!!!!
No, seriously. Thanks for the info. Sorry about getting your capital wrong. No offense.
quote:Originally posted by Dr. Phlox: And in the entry for the Danube class U.S.S. Shenandoah it says the ship was "attacked by the Jem’Hadar and destroyed." Well, we don't really know if it was destroyed, it might've just been abandoned, they sorta forgot about it after Jake and Nog were beamed to the Valiant. Since the rest of your list is strictly canon, it might be a good idea to mention that no one said what happened to the ship in the episode, but you presume it was destroyed.
quote:Originally posted by Dat: It's more likely that the Odyssey was (more) named after one of Homer's epics than the command module of Apollo 13.
Well, the Encyclopedia does say it was for the spacecraft…but I guess that’s just Okuda’s presumption. I think I’ll leave it for now.
quote:Originally posted by Masao: A few nits/comments: 1. Princeton is in New Jersey, not Pennsylvania! 2. You should mention the Russian battleship Potemkin rather than or inaddition to the General. Probably better known because of the movie. 3. For Sequoia, I'd mention the guy who developed the Cherokee script, for whom the treee was named. 4. Spector might be named for Phil Spector, the famous record producer. 5. In War of the Worlds, "Thunder Child" is two words. 6. Re: Lollipop http://www.reelclassics.com/Actresses/Shirley/goodship-lyrics.htm
1. D’oh! 2. (along with number one) Done. 3. Wow, I had no knowledge of this man. Thanks a lot! Done. 4. I like Pym’s idea better… 5. I think the record has shown that the accepted spelling for the Trek ship (though it was definitely supposed to be a reference to Wells’ work) is Thunderchild. 6. OMG! I saw this film as a little kid and totally forgot! Done.
quote:Originally posted by Solommagnus de Pym: Spector could be in reference to Gaming Guru Warren Spector. Given the source of the name, perhaps it most likely is.
I agree. Do you know if Spector’s credits include any Trek games?
Thanks for the input, everyone. -MMoM Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Of course not. He is talent!
Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
Potemkin: I think you should mention the movie, Battleship Potemkin, which is probably better known than either the General (or Potemkin villages) or the battleship itself. http://us.imdb.com/Title?0015648 "Thunder Child": Although the single-word version of the name is accepted in Star Trek and should, therefore, appear in your list as such, it is a misspelling of Well's ship's name. Just interesting background.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
I will add a note about the Thunderchild's spelling, but I think mentioning the 1925 Potemkin film is just slightly excessive for the purposes of this list.
Re: Columbia being named for the Space Shuttle. If FJ's tech manual came out in 1975 (or so), that's too early for shuttle names, I think. This KSC page tells about the history of the name and the shuttle. http://science.ksc.nasa.gov/shuttle/resources/orbiters/columbia.html Posted by RAMAGNUS PYM (Member # 239) on :
You should take the opportunity to watch it, though, if you can. It's probably Eisenstein's best, and probably the best example of Soviet Montage. If you go in and don't expect anything as good as Notting Hill, you'll enjoy it.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
quote:Originally posted by Masao: Re: Columbia being named for the Space Shuttle. If FJ's tech manual came out in 1975 (or so), that's too early for shuttle names, I think. This KSC page tells about the history of the name and the shuttle. http://science.ksc.nasa.gov/shuttle/resources/orbiters/columbia.html
The Thunderchild entry should read, "named for the fictional British warship "H.M.S. Thunder Child." There is no "HMS Thunderchild."
I still suggest you mention the movie Battleship Potemkin. The ship and the General would probably be forgotten if not for the movie. It's certainly well known among filmmakers.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by Sol System: You forgot the parts about the criminals and the flogging. Sheesh. What kind of history leaves out the flogging?
Well yeah that's a BIG chunk to talk about.
The conditions that those people (some who only stole a loaf of bread) went through was appaling - yes not to mention the floggings - but especially the Hobart and Port Arthur Convicts. They only had the material-uniform. And Tasmania gets very cold - it snows there in Winter - and their cells were made by them - and had - no closable windows etc. Tough people.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
NEGLIGIBLE UPDATE:
Fixed a formatting error in the Carolina entry, added SoundEffect's Odyssey pic, and rephrased the Thunderchild name annotations for (hopefully) a final time.
Tomorrow (again, hopefully) Federation A-E.
-MMoM Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
It snows in the winter? Monsters!
(Andrew: I am joking with you.)
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
UPDATE:
-Added Federation Ships A-D. -Added historical notes about Bozeman, Montana, in Bozeman entry. -Rewrote the Carolina entry after watching TOS "Friday's Child" again and realizing that the Encyclopedia got the ship mixed up with the S.S. Dierdre. (See explanatory note in the Dierdre entry.) -Found a better Challenger screencap.
-MMoM Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
For SS Columbia, you should mention Dr. Theodore Haskins and the American Continent Institute.
Posted by newark (Member # 888) on :
And based on the dialogue from the episode, the USS Carolina is an operational ship. She is operating near the Klingon border.
I don't see her as a Daedalus Class nor as a freighter. I see her as a less powerful ship than the USS Enterprise, possibliy a destroyer class. (Destroyer class is from the Stephen Whitfield book.)
I notice that Mr. Okuda was very conservative in his use of classes for the original series. Only classes established for this time period and earlier-the Constitution and the Daedalus-were given. I don't know why he was so conservative in his selection of classes.
I think it possible that there are three Carolinas-a 22nd century ship of the Daedalus Class, a 23rd century ship, and a 24th century ship. Just an opinion.
Carolina is the name of a former colony in the southeast US. This colony became North and South Carolina.
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
quote:Originally posted by Masao: For SS Columbia, you should mention Dr. Theodore Haskins and the American Continent Institute.
Well, that's a coincidence. Yesterday I was looking through my picture archive when I found Picard's notes for the Tagus II conference. The ACT is listed there, but I didn't know that it was mentioned in TOS.
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
The American COMETARY Institute, I believe...
For the Hokule'a and Tripoli entries, here is the likely source for the class name. Not that Okuda couldn't have picked the word up somewhere else, too - but this is also what Starfleet would have used as the excuse for the name...
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim: UPDATE:
-Added historical notes about Bozeman, Montana, in Bozeman entry.
Heh, I remember 'bout last week Al Roker mentioning Bozeman, Montana. It was the coldest place in the US on that day or something. Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
quote:Originally posted by Timo: The American COMETARY Institute, I believe...
No, it's American Continent Institute all right. Just checked the ep.
I've been working on the Federation listings, but my server is down at the moment and I'll have to wait to update until it's working again. And, to complicate matters further, I'm leaving on vacation for several days on Wednesday, and won't be able to work on the list until I get back on Saturday.
Sorry for the delays.
-MMoM Posted by The Mike from C.A.P.T.A.I.N. (Member # 709) on :
after 18 years on that planet, though, those guys looked like they were from the American Incontinent Institute!!!! har har har!
and i'm pretty sure thats how the line goes, i came up with that joke YEARS ago..
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
UPDATE:
-Added Federation E-I. (Not much there, but all the same...) I need to know what Mag issue the "Ju'day-class" mention came from before I can put J up. On E, I've decided to strike the L.T.A. Elmira from the list, as it is my opinion that the "L.T.A." stands for Lissepian Trade Administration or something similar. It's probably not a UFP vessel. -Added Haskins notes to the S.S. Columbia entry. -Added a computer display pic to U.S.S. Hathaway entry. -Added the supposed Neptune to the Starfleet N page. -Updated the Condensed shiplist.
-MMoM Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
UPDATE: -Added Federation J and K. (Would really have liked to know a specific Mag issue for Ju'day, but oh well...) -Added screenshots from "The Ultimate Computer" (TOS) to Excalibur, Hood, Lexington, and Potemkin entries. -Added note about Kirk's trip to Neural spoken of in "A Private Little War" (TOS) to Farragut entry. -Fixed broken link in Odyssey entry. -Updated Condensed shiplist once again!
-MMoM
P.S. This will probably be the last update until I get back from vacation on Monday. -MM Posted by Akira (Member # 850) on :
I hope this is not more UF work thrown to the magazine people!?!
Were there anymore 'covers by Mojo'?
Was this a special one for the Magazine?
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
There were several covers done by him (or at least with funky CG images), for all the special editions.
The first one is March 2001, the Borg Edition, which featured a Galaxy class (probably the Enterprise) caught in a Cube's beam.
Then there's the TOS edition (May 2001), whith the 1701 in orbit around Earth.
July 2001 has some Voyager work on it.
Finally, the TWOK and TSFS have some pretty pictures on them as well. The Miranda model was renamed to Reliant for the TWOK cover, IIRC.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Can anyone scan those covers - the Mag aint available 'ear.
Posted by Akira (Member # 850) on :
MMM
I found these problems that you might want to fix
U.S.S. Alka-Selsior NCC-2000 Excelsior-class (I dont think shes Excelsior Class) and the link for the pic does not work. U.S.S. Berlin NCC-14232 Excelsior-class Pic does not work either U.S.S. Centaur NCC-42043 Excelsior-class ( Might be better if you called this Centaur class or class Unknown) Screenshot (Guardian of Forever) does not work U.S.S. Challenger Challenger-class need to link the NEW pic of the buran on the pm i sent ya U.S.S. Constantinople NCC-34852 Istanbul-class If i remember right there is a Screenshot of this ship right before it exploded on Flare someplace. U.S.S. Columbia NCC-621 Cygnus-class & USS Revere Might want to show the pics from ST2TWOK and the tech manual U.S.S. Crazy Horse NCC-50446 Excelsior-class I think there is a screen shot of this also. U.S.S. Enterprise NCC-1701-D Galaxy-class 2-foot studio model (Dat) pic does not work.
U.S.S. Essex NCC-173 Daedalus-class Pic does not work U.S.S. Hathaway NCC-2593 Constellation-class There was a schematic of this ship in a starlog that came with the other 2 pics in blue somewhere. U.S.S. K.E. Tsiolkovsky NCC-53911 Oberth-class Screenshot (Spike) Dedication plaque (Spike) pics does not work U.S.S. Lexington NCC-1709 Constitution-class Model (Encyclopedia)pic does not work i think U.S.S. Nash NCC-2010-B Sydney-class Screenshot (Neutral Zone) pic does not work
More in a few Im not trying to be an @$$hole just thought you might like to know everything that was not linked right and so on.
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
quote:need to link the NEW pic of the buran
Is that a screenshot or a pic of the model?
Posted by Akira (Member # 850) on :
U.S.S. Princeton NCC-59804 Niagara-class Studio model (Spike) pic does not work. U.S.S. Pueblo The pic looks like there is a uss Beaver Also
U.S.S. Repulse NCC-2544 Excelsior-class Screenshot of Repulse and Enterprise. (Spike) Screenshot of Repulse shuttle in Enterprise shuttlebay. (Spike) Pics dont work. U.S.S. Valley Forge NCC-43305 Excelsior-class Screenshot (Pedro�s Shiporama) Pic does not work USS Yamato Illusory Yamato from �Contagion.� (Spike)
Screenshot from �Where Silence Has Lease.� (Spike)Pics are backwards.
NXP-2365WP/T Defiant-class Should be listed as Defiant Test Bed not a Defiant class.
Posted by Akira (Member # 850) on :
Its the clear view of the model im not going to tell you guy were to find it but its out there.
Please guys dont post a link to it make people look for it if they want it that bad.
PM sent Spike.
Posted by The Mike from C.A.P.T.A.I.N. (Member # 709) on :
wtf?
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"Its the clear view of the model im not going to tell you guy were to find it but its out there."
See, this is one of those cases where, in my opinion, hurling insults would be perfectly justified.
Posted by Dr. Phlox (Member # 878) on :
quote:Originally posted by Akira: Its the clear view of the model im not going to tell you guy were to find it but its out there.
Please guys dont post a link to it make people look for it if they want it that bad.
It's taking a lot of will-power not to call you something very nasty. Posted by Akira (Member # 850) on :
Ok i dont like bashing so ill post the Pic for you guys unless some one replys for me to remove the link before everyone sees it.
Cool! Thanks. It seems to be labelled on the photo as a scout.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Oh, and I reckon - for the next Encyclopaedia revision - that these ships should be drawn up and included!! I mean if we can do it - the people with the primary source material should be able to do it!?!
Posted by newark (Member # 888) on :
MMoM,
For the third Intrepid, you listed the events from "Force of Nature". I would think with the publication of the article in Star Trek: The Magazine that the Intrepid in this episode is the prototype of the Intrepid Class, not the Excelsior Class starship.
Some other notes: -New Orleans is the birthplace of jazz. -The Ambassador Class Excalibur had a run-in with the Borg. Data provided in "Survival Instinct" (VOY). -USS Sentinel may be named after five US Navy ships that share this name. The most famous is the mine sweeper USS Sentinel (AM-113) which was sunk by German aircraft July 12, 1943 off the coast of Sicily. -J. Swift, captain of the USS Yosemite, may be in-joke for Jonathan Swift, author of Gulliver's Travels.
[ November 28, 2002, 07:09: Message edited by: newark ]
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
I would assume that an Intrepid Class (the newest ship at that time) and the pride of the Fleet - the Enterprise would have more in common Engine-wise than an old Excelsior Intrepid. I agree with the Intrepid class thing there too.
When did Rick Sternbach start designing the Voyager?? When did he get the "Intrepid Class" designation - if it was during TNG's final year - it might be a little Nod towards Voyager... seeing as Intrepid Class was mentioned in the Pilot. And that half of Season 7 was peppered with Maquis references etc. To lead into Voyager.
Andrew
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
See, I even checked EAS for the picture, but there was no indication on the main page that any of the Wolf359 stuff had been updated. I guess that'll teach me...
Posted by SoundEffect (Member # 926) on :
Thanks for directing us to the pic by the way!
Now that we can see it more clearly, anyone know for sure what the secondary hull is? It first appeared to be the shape of an upside-down seaQuest front end, but the kit would be too new for the Wolf 359 episode. It looks like some arrangement of Galaxy Class secondary hull parts. Any thoughts?
Posted by Akira (Member # 850) on :
If you guys ask me it looks like two extended but flatened galaxy halls mounted to the back of the saucer right in the middle or just below the middle line of the of the saucer. Sort of like what the new Orleans type but flatter.
But thats me.
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
Some notes on the TAS freighters:
The NCC-Gxxxx drones were of the Sherman Class, according to the Federation Refrence Series - volume 5. Not canon, of course, but you could mention it as a note.
The Huron could be an Independence Class. Again, nothing canon, but perhaps worthy of mentioning.
Then again, the Independence doesn't look much like the Huron. And the registry range given for the Independences by, say, Dixon, is wrong, too (since the rego was mistaken for NCC-F1313 for so long). So it might be doubly appropriate to suggest some other class or subclass for the Huron. Something that came after the Fraternity subclass, obviously...
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
Hm. That is a very odd-looking lower nacelle attachment point configuration.
Posted by Starship Millennium (Member # 822) on :
quote:Originally posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim: (Would really have liked to know a specific Mag issue for Ju'day, but oh well...)
Dug my copies of Star Trek: The Mag out today... it's in the August 2001 issue, page 112 in the "Star Trek Stories" section, an article entitled "Creating a Bajoran model."
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
That was most helpful of you, SM! My thanks.
The same goes for everyone who has reported errors, omissions, broken links, etc. I have made most of the needed amendments, but there are still a few items to complete, especially in light of the latest Mag issue. Bear with me, folks...
-MMoM Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
Just a guess, but I think USS Sentinel was named for the 1948 Arthur C Clarke short story (The Sentinel) that was the basis of 2001: A Space Odyssey. This source is more likely than some obscure minesweeper.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
UPDATE:
-Added all ship info from Sternbach's latest mag article. (This entailed the creation of new entries for the U.S.S. Gihlan and U.S.S. Houbolt, and modification of the Constellation, Gettysburg, Hathaway, Magellan, Stargazer, Valkyrie, and NCC-7100 entries.) -Updated Alka-Selsior entry and added model pic. -Updated Enterprise-E entry with a small datapoint from "Life Line" (VGR). -Added a screenshot to the Bonchune entry, a CGI shot to the Horizon entry, and a single better model pic to the Valkyrie entry. -Updated Introduction page, adding Star Trek Maps, Mr. Scott's Guide to the Enterprise, and the Star Trek Spaceflight Chronology (all of which I have recently purchased) to the list of ancillary references. Also added some annotations with info from these publications throughout the list. -Specifically, I updated the Bonaventure, Enterprise-A, Kobayashi Maru, and Republic entries. -Federation L is now up. -So are Q, U, and Y. (Don't get excited though...there ain't nothin' there! ) -Updated the Condensed shiplist.
-MMoM
P.S.
Masao: I'm afraid I must disagree. Considering that another vessel on those displays was the U.S.S. Silversides named for another WWII USN vessel, I'd think more in the line of newark's explanation.
Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
Damn! (I'm still convinced I'm right, of course) Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
quote:Considering that another vessel on those displays was the U.S.S. Silversides
But what does that have to do with the Sentinel?
Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
The fact that our simian friend here referenced the WWII U.S.S. Sentinel on his page, and Masao posited an s/f literary origin for the name instead...
--Jonah
Posted by newark (Member # 888) on :
I think he is suggesting they are both ships of the US Navy, and Starfleet has a tradition of naming ships after US Navy ships. Something like that I guess.
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
quote:Originally posted by Peregrinus: The fact that our simian friend here referenced the WWII U.S.S. Sentinel on his page, and Masao posited an s/f literary origin for the name instead...
That's not what I meant. He wrote "another vessel on those displays" but the Sentinel didn't appear on a display. The Silversides is from TNG Eye of the Beholder and the Sentinel from DS9 Treachery, Faith And The Great River.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
THIS POST HAS BEEN EDITED INTO NOTHINGNESS IN ORDER TO RECTIFY AN INCIDENCE OF STUPIDITY AND CONFUSION ON THE PART OF THE AUTHOR. PLEASE DISREGARD THIS POST.
MAY GOD HAVE MERCY ON YOUR SOULS.
-MMoM
[ December 05, 2002, 14:48: Message edited by: The Mighty Monkey of Mim ]
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
quote:For some reason I confused the Silversides as being a ship from the "Eye of the Beholder" displays.
Maybe because the Silversides is from that episode? Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
Mim, you've got to think before you speak! You're confusing Sentinel with Silversides.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dat: Mim, you've got to think before you speak.
Sound advice.
Forgive my continued scatter-brained-ness...
To state things perfectly clearly and in accurate terms: I still believe the Sentinel to have been named for the line of noted naval vessels rather than for the Clarke story. My reason for this is primarily because of the abundance of other similarly-named Starfleet ships, and secondarily because I think it makes more sense. (I've got a good sense of priorities, don't I? )
-MMoM Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
UPDATE:
-Added all the correct information from the Starfleet Operations display and added the pics furnished by Siegfried and SoundEffect. This meant updating the entry of every ship on the list. I'd still like to know more precisely when that graphic first started showing up. -Added some new links in the Merrimac (final spelling) entry and tried to make the name issue a bit more clear in the annotations. -I finally rlented on the Ahwahnee issue. The "Redemption" PADD graphic that SE discovered has convinced me. I'm still waiting to hear from Okuda on why he thought the reg needed to be changed, though. -Consequently, I updated the Endeavour entry as well. -Updated the Introduction page, replacing the Nemesis entery in the explanatory notes with one on scripts and deleted scenes. -Updated the Condensed shiplist.
There may be a few other trivial things that I can't think of at the moment. I'll try to start work on the Federation listings again this week.
-MMoM
P.S.
Do the headers at the top of every page (and the directory at the bottom) appear to you guys in the proper font of Microgramma Bold Extended? I was looking at the page from another computer and it was all in Times New Roman. Ick. Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
It's in Microgramma on my computer, but of course I've got that font loaded. I suspect if the computer doesn't have it loaded, it'll just use times or something else.
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
Yes, that's how web pages work. Pages don't embed the fonts used, so if a page calls for a certain font and a computer that's loading up the page doesn't have the font, the browser's default font will be used. It's exactly how word processing programs work. That's why on some pages, it will tell you that it looks better with a certain font loaded on your computer and so provides a link to download the font if you don't have it. Vorlon used to do that on his now long-defunct website.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
I've added a note and a link to a TrueType version of the font to the intro page.
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
BTW, most courses of net-etiquette I have learned consider it 'rude' to ask someone to download a font to view your page.. the best instructors in web design I've learned from have stated that the ideal webpage is the one that is viewable to the highest number of people without said people having to go through any trouble to view the page.
that being said, i think the best solution is to not only offer the font, but also alter the FONT tags to include an alternate (ugh.. non-Times) font just in case they don't want to get your font.. on my page, there are some places where I use Arial Narrow, but I recognize that most people with pre-2000 OSs might not have it, and still more people might be running old Macs that call Arial by the name Helvetica.. so a lot of my tags read FONT FACE="Arial Narrow,Arial,Helvetica".. that way, if they don't have the preferred font, it will try a couple others. IF I were you i would code the tag to use the preferred font first, then pick a backup font which people are guaranteed to have, that would be your second choice.
also keep in mind that many fonts don't resize well for use as text, when they are specifically geared towards being a header font: Posted by Starship Millennium (Member # 822) on :
As an addition to what Captain Mike suggested, I'd put the font name "Eurostar Black Extended" in the tag... it's the same exact font, and I had it preinstalled on both my Windows ME and Windows XP computers. That way, at least some people won't have to have multiple copies of a font floating around on their computer. Posted by CaptainMaxwell (Member # 932) on :
Somewhere in the web I read NCC-76220 for the Steamrunner.
I made my own version of this strange registry. The Steamrunners are modern ship with got "ancient", never used registries (maybe construction has been cancelled) just to fill a few holes in the registries (like the Appalachia 52136 and the (fan-fiction) Eagles Wrath 52137).
The 5XXXX Prometheus has been classified as a Steamrunner Cruiser and therefore received a never used registry. Since the Prometheus was a very secret project Starfleet would never make it official in its shiplist as a experimental high tech battlechip.
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