Okay, it seemed more appropriate to have this topic over here. Anyway, despite not having a job, this set was on sale for $80US and I couldn't resist!
Anyway, I've already began caps for "The Search" but I need to cut the number of caps I've made for it down by about three-quarters. From the other threat I see that there are requests for miscellaneous caps from "The Die is Cast", the Cardassian control room in "Defiant" (& presumably the battle sequence) and Dax in "Equilibrium". The question is, is there anything else anyone has interest in specifically seeing?
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
Oh...almost forgot...for the sake of "notes on tech": I noticed a couple interesting things that may or maynot have been noticed before.
The first thing was in "The Search" when DS9 detected the Defiant while it was cloaked triggering a proximity alert or whatever...Kira said that it was 300m from the station and O'Brien said that that was almost within the stations shield parimeters; an insight of just how far out the shield ''bubble'' goes around the station.
The second thing is just the note about it taking 6 seconds to complete a transport, regarding the time needed to decloak, transport, and recloak. Being not so tech-minded in such manners, I never understood the complications in firing or beaming while cloaked. The shields aren't up so it shouldn't be a problem, but it is, why is that? Obviously Chang & Co. overcame it 80years earlier in TUC for his BoP, why hasn't that been overcome again?
Finally, RE: the threads about "Where's the Money?" and "Civilian Tech"...
In "Explorers" while Ben and Jake were talking about Ben's first year at SF Academy, Ben said that during the first few days&weeks he was homesick and that he would transport home every night at 6pm for dinner as if he was still living there. Jake then said, "You must have used up a months worth of transporter credits", apparently suggesting that on Earth each person/family has an allotment of 'transporter credits' per month. Maybe this opens up a few doors on those topics.
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
quote:Obviously Chang & Co. overcame it 80years earlier in TUC for his BoP, why hasn't that been overcome again?
The semi-official explanation is that Chang's cloak and anti-cloak technology develop at a high rate. So, Chang's cloak wouldn't be of any use to the latest Federation cloak detectors. And in turn, a better Klingon cloak means you can't fire through it anymore.
And perhaps 'current' technologies are advancing faster and cloaks are so good that there isn't enough time to develop fire-while-cloak tech.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
My major request would be to see some good shots of the big tactical display on the wall in the Cardassian control center in "Defiant."
And possibly some good comparison shots of the Defiant and the Galor in said episode.
Thanks! Posted by Dax (Member # 191) on :
quote:Originally posted by MinutiaeMan: And possibly some good comparison shots of the Defiant and the Galor in said episode.
The Defiant looked overly tiny when it's above that Galor -- about 60m long IIRC.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Ooh! Ooh! I'd like a few pics of the Defiant's first bridge set. There are numerous differences between the sets in the first and subsequent appearances: the whole back of the bridge was raised one step, for example, and there were far fewer monitors. They removed the step up to facilitate filming, and added more monitors to fill in all the blank spaces on the walls. Plus, in "The Search" they blowed it up real good.
If we could get a few caps of the bridge that show this, that'd be awesome.
Mark
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
Here are caps from The Search (1&2), there are 78 total. Mostly beauty shots, displays and some of the featured characters. I definantly wont get this carried away with the rest of the season, save "Defiant" and "The Die is Cast", which I am working on right now.
Just from the first batch, I see we have a nice shot of an LCARS display that's using one of the discarded designs for the ship. Cool.
Boy... Jadzia's hair was really bad in this episode. What were they thinking?
Ahhh.... memories of the first time we saw the Defiant fire phasers. The stain is still on my carpet.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
quote:Originally posted by Futurama Guy: The second thing is just the note about it taking 6 seconds to complete a transport, regarding the time needed to decloak, transport, and recloak. Being not so tech-minded in such manners, I never understood the complications in firing or beaming while cloaked. The shields aren't up so it shouldn't be a problem, but it is, why is that? Obviously Chang & Co. overcame it 80years earlier in TUC for his BoP, why hasn't that been overcome again?
Kruge's BoP was also seen to be able to transport while cloaked in both ST:III & IV, so perhaps the difference is in the Klingon transporter technology and not the cloak. Of course by the time the D-12 BoP was built this must have changed, since the Duras sisters' ship decloaked to beam Soran and Geordi off of the observatory.
Perhaps the difference in the 23rd century Klingon transporters made them unsafe somehow, perhaps they have a habit of scrambling molecules or they could have caused some kind of cumulative cellular damage? A possible explanation for the smooth foreheads perhaps? j/k Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
quote:Originally posted by Aban Rune: Sweet! Now... how about those pictures of Dax.
Soon....I snuck a peek at the end of that episode and her in that white robe-thing isn't really revealing...at least if we were judging based on Enterprise standards... Posted by J (Member # 608) on :
quote:Originally posted by Futurama Guy: The second thing is just the note about it taking 6 seconds to complete a transport, regarding the time needed to decloak, transport, and recloak. Being not so tech-minded in such manners, I never understood the complications in firing or beaming while cloaked. The shields aren't up so it shouldn't be a problem, but it is, why is that? Obviously Chang & Co. overcame it 80years earlier in TUC for his BoP, why hasn't that been overcome again?
Technically... the best way I've heard it explained is that when the cloak is up it is just like having the shields up. The cloaking device either uses the same shield waveguides [TOS... dunno which episode... Spock swoons that Romulan commander] or it's own similar waveguides to take the field from the generator to the outside of the ship. It is [near] impossible to transport through shields because the graviton field and subspace field which make up the shield will scramble the matter stream... for the same reason with a cloaking device which assumably uses a subspace field to encapsulate a vessel and allow sensors to pass through [or absorb them] and allow background radiation to pass through [otherwise just follow the blank space]. The cloaking devices strong subspace field would disrupt the matter stream thus making transport dangerous.
Fire while cloaked is another matter entirely. First off to be completely cloaked the ship would have to have all of it's ports covered with these waveguides so that the cloaking field is complete so to fire you have to open these port covers and expose yourself slightly. Secondly, when you do fire, no matter what it is, detection becomes very easy for the same fact that you just follow the trajectory. The cloaked ship can move after firing, but once you're general location has been made sensors can be trained to look for differences in the background radiation, stars, power levels... etc etc--- it's easy to track them once you have them.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
1) Lots of shots of Cardassian displays, the Defiant and Cardassian Warships from "Defiant".
4) "The Die is Cast" will be up slowly but surely. It is easily one of my top 5 favorite DS9 eps so I am having a hard time weeding out the riff-raff. Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
Evidently my post editing privlegeds have been revoked so I cannot fix the above post. I am allowed to edit the post, I just get an FYI when I try to submit it.
Posted by The Red Admiral (Member # 602) on :
Excellent work and many thnaks for showing us these. Any chance I could use some of them on Trekmania...? Full credit given of course.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
Nope prob!
If you like these, you'll love "The Die is Cast"...I'll be posting the first 1/3 of the collection soon...
Also got a few from "The Advisary" which has a pan of engineering and a few other parts of the ship that were visited less frequently + the death of the changling which is pretty cool sfx-wise.
[ June 17, 2003, 04:16 PM: Message edited by: Futurama Guy ]
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
So, according to that last set, the Cardassians *were* shooting back after all... I never noticed that before.
Superb stuff, for a tech freak anyway.
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
nope, it was just the jem'hadar shooting...the cardie/rommie fleet just stood there stagnant fx-wise while the jemmies flew around. The only cardie ship that really moved was the one going across the bottom right of the screen as the warbird was getting attacked....
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
When the runabout escapes, two of the Keldons on the background are seen firing yellowish beams across the screen. At least it seems they are firing - if it were the Jemmies firing, the beams would be blue, and there would be an explosion at the impact point.
Pretty feeble going, of course. The battle had raged on for at least five minutes, probably more, at that point...
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
I remember back then getting videos from my cousins in the 'states and I got a whole spread of DS9 season 3 and season 4 episodes (well the the way of the warrior and the visitor)
I was SO blown away with "Improbable Cause" and then it ends up being a cliff-hanger... and I waited but "The Die Is Cast" wasn't on any of the tapes!! This was before the net was big and stuff... (even later - downloading a whole episode would have been crazy) So I had to settle for the 'next week' preview for like 2 years or so until it came out on video in Australia.
Quite a big gap!!
I remember drooling when I could see this ferocious battle that was to come (and like seconds worth) in the preview... and remember how all the DS9 previews were in that 'oval' - with the wormhole effect around the outside.
I played that preview over and over.
Was so good.
OH! After all that rambling - another request for coolness!! The one and only time we see DS9 get destroyed!! "Visionary" - I got that one on tape from the States - my jaw dropped when DS9 when BOOOOM! And the Run-abouts were escaping... very cool. Wasn't there a display of the orbit of the orbiting warbird?
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
I noticed in one of "the Defiant" collections, there's a shot of the two Rikers on the screen as Odo and Sisko are trying to explain the situation to Dukat. It doesn't look a whole lot like Jonathon Frakes, but the picture of Thomas Riker seems to show him in a DS9 style uniform as opposed to the TNG style. I had never noticed that before.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
Timo: Sorry, guess I wasn't paying much attention to that particular scene, I thought you were referring to the one that blew up first thing. It would have been a lot cooler if we say the Rom/Card ships fighting back a little more...but it was, afterall, their first attempt at a mass battle sequence....so its understandable it cant be perfect, it was still damn impressive anyway!
Andrew: Yeah, you could see a warbird on the screen of ds9 firing at the station...as well the display of it orbiting ds9. That is my next goal to tackle. Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
The Defiant portion of, and last two files from, "The Die is Cast":
Finally, "Through the Looking Glass"...including shots of "Smilies" ship, the decloaking Vor'cha & Galors and the Earth Alliance and Kli-Car-Baj Alliance pins.
Many thanks again! - by what name would you wish to be credited FG??
And BTW, some of the files seemed to be corrupt and could'nt be inflated, they were DS9-3_The_Die_Is_Cast (62).JPG, and a number of files in DS9-3_The_Die_Is_Cast_8.zip.
Posted by The Red Admiral (Member # 602) on :
Oh, and would it be possible to capture a few images of that mysterious ship wreckage in the Emmisary footage (as being discussed in the Gage thread..) A DVD capture may throw further light on the matter. Cheers.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
quote:Originally posted by The Red Admiral: And BTW, some of the files seemed to be corrupt and could'nt be inflated, they were DS9-3_The_Die_Is_Cast-62.JPG, and a number of files in DS9-3_The_Die_Is_Cast_8.zip.
I will post "Explorers" (w/ Siskos sail ship and the reused footage for the 'Lexington') and "Visionary" (w/ Ds9 exploding) later today. That should be all... ...oh and some Dax files I'm working on... Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
I think the overhead shot of the Lexington docked at the station is a new fx-shot:
a new FX shot of your bloody 404 error
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
when you talk about the Advisary - don't you mean "The Adversary"?
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
I have another request - but it is a belated request from season 2. Shot of the bridge of the Odyssey. Yes they were only on the view screen - but I'd like to see what it was like.
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
Is that the standard movie set?
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
from watching the episode, the shot seems painfully cropped.. that certainly isnt a full bridge, unless the reason they couldnt shoot beyond that one station is tht none of the rest was lit/decorated/crewed.. basically, they seem to have been unable to move the camera angle at all, i think it was a 'one station and a railing' bridge
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
quote:Originally posted by CaptainMike: a new FX shot of your bloody 404 error
Grr...bitch, bitch, bitch...
http://www2.gvsu.edu/~albaitia/Ds9-3_Explorers_1.zip...it was there, just listed wrong. (The fx may or maynot be new...I don't recall all of the shots from the Prometheus, but based on all the thankless bitchin' I would hate to be chastised for being wrong.)
quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: when you talk about the Advisary - don't you mean "The Adversary"?
You see a lot more of the Odyssey bridge. It is a half-set built from the TOS movie bridge, previously seen that same season as the bridge of the USS Prometheus (the Nebula-class one). Anyway, it was made up of the aft third of the movie set, a quick railing evocative of the E-D tactical station (is had consoles in it, but we never seen them), and at least two command chairs arranged such that the XO is sitting BEHIND the CO. We see a standard TNG helm station, so it follows that the front of the bridge has an ops console too.
They probably would have used the TNG bridge set, were it not for the "Generations" production crew being busy smashing it up.
Mark
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
Well I wonder how far apart filming of ''All Good Things'' and ''The Jem'Hadar'' was becasue they aired like 2 weeks apart or so.
Posted by newark (Member # 888) on :
The Nebula in "Explorers" bears the registry of the USS Prometheus.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Hey look at Explorers picture 11 - the alien in the gold uniform is the same as Lt. Kwan from "Eye of the Beholder"!
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: Hey look at Explorers picture 11 - the alien in the gold uniform is the same as Lt. Kwan from "Eye of the Beholder"!
Oh and Explorers pictures 1, 2, 3 and 4 should be good pictures for size estimations of DS9.
Also - are we going to see the Dax from the end of Equilibrium pics?
Is there anything worth seeing in "Past Tense?" The Transporter set?
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: Hey look at Explorers picture 11 - the alien in the gold uniform is the same as Lt. Kwan from "Eye of the Beholder"!
Oh! Nice one! I think I'm going to steal that for my UFP database? Can I?
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
It's not up to me... that is - if you were adressing me. Oh and thanks - I just - sorta - noticed it.
What was the race - Napean?
I'm guessing he's a full Napean not like Lt. Kwan.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
quote:Originally posted by AndrewR:
quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: Hey look at Explorers picture 11 - the alien in the gold uniform is the same as Lt. Kwan from "Eye of the Beholder"!
Oh and Explorers pictures 1, 2, 3 and 4 should be good pictures for size estimations of DS9.
Also - are we going to see the Dax from the end of Equilibrium pics?
Is there anything worth seeing in "Past Tense?" The Transporter set?
Hold your horses, buckaroo! Give me some time to enjoy summer, you can't imagine how much time is consumed in making these! I haven't even got as far as watching those episodes yet....let alone making caps.
And um, I thought we already knew the size of DS9...and um...the Dax Caps I made back from "Through the Looking Glass" are far superior than any shots of her in "Equilibrium"...
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Oh no - hurry - no hurry at all!
Just have them up by tomorrow!
I loved Dax in that white dress - twas tres sexay
Andrew
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
So I've noticed Season 7 DS9 is out in Australia along with Season 1 Voyager - does the US have bright red packaging for Voyager!?!
Anyway... anyone going to screen cap season 7?
Anything interesting/useful? I'd say a lot of the final 'arc'.
Maybe there are some background 'tidbits' from the room in Sloane's mind?
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
I'd like to see (from WYLB)the Vor'Cha attacking the Dominion Battleship (although the scaling is obscenely off).
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: - does the US have bright red packaging for Voyager!?!
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