The name says it all. What names would you prefer on a Soverign Class ship? (Enterprise not included, duh)
Blair
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
It is Sovereign. And aside from Sovereign and Enterprise, I did like the fan suggestion of Honorius (the name E-E had before a quick rename following the lost of E-D). And for a laugh, Royal Sovereign. Just try printing that on the saucer in the same font size as on her sisters.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Sentinel Defender Monarch Superfly
Posted by Guardian 2000 (Member # 743) on :
I'm rather fond of Nimitz, as seen on a Sov in the game "Birth of the Federation".
Judging by "Sovereign", I'd say the class names might be a little more battle-ready than most. Bismarck would work well . . . might be nice to see Yamato again. Maybe a name of a heroic Vulcan combat cruiser from the NX era to spice things up.
Posted by Guardian 2000 (Member # 743) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: Superfly
Dominion Officer: "First, we are being hailed." Dominion Captain: "On audio." (Over Comm): "Yo-yo-yo, check dis out! Supahfly!" Dominion Officer: "Peon Torpedo, incoming!"
Posted by CaptainMike20X6 (Member # 709) on :
looking at our sources, we have the
U.S.S. Enterprise NCC-1701-E U.S.S. Sovereign NCC-73811
The 1701-E we of course know from the last 3 movies. The Sovvie is the class ship, and was featured in some William Shatner novels. One of the ST video games assigned it NX-73811, this works fine for me. (one RPG supplement gives NX-17454, another gives NX-90201.. both are ridiculous.. the more sensible NCC-74222 is supplied by a Thomas Models decal, but is not licensed or canonical). The Independence and Yorktown are from the Decipher RPG, both their registries suck (NCC-90346 and NCC-90276 respectively).. Sentinel should be the ship mentioned in the DS9 eps, but some SCE novels have already called it an Akira. (this makes more sense, and i cant recall who classified it as a Sovvie). The Gibraltar is from one of the Dominion War sourcebooks from the defunct LUG RPG, no idea whether it was actually published or was cancelled before release. the Endeavour, Majestic andParamount are from the aforementioned model sheet, probably shouldn't be considered as definitive.
does the BotF game give a registry for the Nimitz?
Posted by Phoenix (Member # 966) on :
USS Swiftsure USS Spartan USS Superb USS Sceptre USS Splendid USS Invincible USS Illustrious USS Indomitable
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
Trek naming "systems" in general abhor all thematic or alliterative logic, so any of the names above would sound good, but not all of them together.
Channeling Franz Joseph, we could of course have
USS Sovereign USS Autarch USS Boss USS Chancellor USS Despot USS Dictator USS Emperor USS God USS High Priest USS King USS Pharaoh USS President USS Prime Minister USS Prince USS Regent USS Secretary General
The Enterprise would then be as much an outlier case as her registry number.
(I do wonder if there was a USS Dominion in Starfleet service in the 2370s..)
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Phoenix (Member # 966) on :
quote:Originally posted by Timo: Trek naming "systems" in general abhor all thematic or alliterative logic
Not always.
The Constitutions mainly seem to be named for old warships (Enterprise, Constitution, Hood, Defiant, Lexington, etc) and the Federations would seem to be named for political government/alliance-type things (as the two we know are Federation and Entente).
So there probably was a Federation Class USS Dominion, but whether the name was continued is another matter...
Posted by Identity Crisis (Member # 67) on :
You missed a good one Timo, it has the precedent of a previous starfleet ship - U.S.S. Archon.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
I named my Sovereign Class the U.S.S. Shiloh, but I don't recall the registry number. She has the runabout Monongahela on board and carries the Captain's Yacht, El Hanan.
Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
quote:Originally posted by CaptainMike20X6: does the BotF game give a registry for the Nimitz?
Nope. BOTF randomly assigns names and registries from a database... they're not fixed.
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
Those are a couple of BoTF-names reserved for Sovereign-class starships:
Sovereign Nelson Resolution Croatan Makarov Kinugasa Asigara Trieste Adelaide Blake Argonaut Vanguard Valiant Antietam Princeton Marshall Colossus Yamasiro Tirpitz Lorraine Magnificent Swiftsure Enterprise Brigadier Ramillies Monterey Midway Roosevelt Leviathan Zuikaku Richelieu Provence Nimitz Essex Musashi Bismarck Sevastopol Ark Royal
Posted by CaptainMike20X6 (Member # 709) on :
did Franz Joseph work on the game?
anywho, i have a related question about Sovereign registries and games..dos anyone have a list of registries, names and classes of ships from Bridge Commander? or are they random too.. i know the game has a Sovereign NCC-73811, and the GCS Dauntless, but are there a bunch more that anyone could supply me with?
Posted by TheWoozle (Member # 929) on :
I can just see a ship named HIGH PRIEST
"Sir, we are being hailed by the Federation. It is the High Priest"
".. wha?"
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
Yamato would be a good Sovereign, but I could imagine that name was reused a loooooooong time ago...wonder if they ever replaced it with one of the later model Galaxies, considering it bit the dust so young in its career...I cannot believe that they would downgrade the name to an Excelsior the next time around.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
NCC-1305-F? Posted by CaptainMike20X6 (Member # 709) on :
/me appr0ves
Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :
I've used one Sovreign class in my RPG campaign, the USS Akhenaten.
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
A long time ago, I tried writing my own Star Trek series. Originally, it featured a Sovereign-class USS Cavalier. After a big retooling, the Cavalier became a Galaxy-class and a Sovereign-class USS Eroica would pop up occassionally.
Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
You mean 'retooling' story-wise, right? It took me a few read-throughs of that post to realize you probably didn't mean the physical rebuilding of a Sovereign into a Galaxy. *heh*
--Jonah
Posted by MarianLH (Member # 1102) on :
What I always want to see is more nonhuman names. The Federation supposedly contains dozens of member races, yet all ship names come from Earth. I think I vaguely remember hearing of a USS Surak (?), but that's the only exception I can think of.
Ships are usually named after people (Tsiolkovsky, Bradbury), places (Jenolan, Kyushu), important events (Tian Nan Men, Lexington), or ideals/virtues (Reliant, Intrepid). So...
Who was the first Tellarite astronaut? Who was the captain of the Vulcan ship that made First Contact with Earth? What do you call the eastern continent of Betazed? Do Andorians name their glaciers? What's the Caitian word for "Intrepid?" And so on.
In some old movie-era suff I have from the 80s, there's a starship class named S'Harien, after the famous Vulcan swordsmith, and two cruisers with Denebian names: USS Raan and USS Sur Cha. I always rather liked little details like that; it makes the Federation seem more real.
Marian
Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
Indeed. I have a Defiant-class Le Matya in my ship list, as well as the odd Solkar, Gol, Thelev, Kamarag, Azet'bur, and so on... Every time we get treated to a non-Terran Federation city, river, mountain, desert, lake, military hero, or whatever, I make a note of it. It's a fun little exercise.
--Jonah
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
Thelev? As in Orion operative Thelev?
Posted by Wraith (Member # 779) on :
quote:Originally posted by Timo: Trek naming "systems" in general abhor all thematic or alliterative logic, so any of the names above would sound good, but not all of them together.
Channeling Franz Joseph, we could of course have
USS Sovereign *Snip* USS Secretary General
USS Vozhd
Maybe not...
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
quote:Originally posted by MarianLH: I think I vaguely remember hearing of a USS Surak (?), but that's the only exception I can think of.
USS Gorkon. In "Redemption II", I think.
Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
I thought Thelev was the ambassador. Where's my Encyclopedia...
Whoops. Changing the entry now to Shras.
--Jonah
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
quote:Originally posted by Peregrinus: You mean 'retooling' story-wise, right? It took me a few read-throughs of that post to realize you probably didn't mean the physical rebuilding of a Sovereign into a Galaxy. *heh*
With a set of Craftsman power tools, a calculator, and some chicken vindaloo, I bet I'd able to do that. Anyway, yeah, story retooling. Like my many other writing projects, it's just several pages of ideas in my notebook. Collecting dust. Never to see the life I imagined for them.
Posted by MarianLH (Member # 1102) on :
Well, "Thelev" was posing as an Andorian, so one assumes it's an Andorian name. I'm sure with a little imagination we could invent a real Thelev worth naming a ship after. =)
On the other hand, Kamarag? "There shall be no peace while Kirk lives" Kamarag? I dunno about that one...
Marian
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Well, he did applaud in the end.
Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
Slowly.
Posted by CaptainMike20X6 (Member # 709) on :
i think thateveryone who wasnt a co conspirator was officially grandfathered in as a 'good guy' a the end.
Kamarag had a lot more fun in the Peter David comics getting pencils thrown at him and scuffling with the Salla of the Nasgul.
Posted by Capt.Blair245 (Member # 1113) on :
The person who made up the name Salla of Nasgul had way to much time on his hands.
Posted by Mucus (Member # 24) on :
All hail the Salla!
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
Maybe Kamarag did some really cool stuff in his later years that make him worthy of having a ship named after him. After all, he got his wish a short while after The Undiscovered Country when Kirk went bye-bye.
Posted by CaptainMike20X6 (Member # 709) on :
quote:Originally posted by Capt.Blair245: The person who made up the name Salla of Nasgul had way to much time on his hands.
Peter David has never been accused of being subtle...
Posted by Styrofoaman (Member # 706) on :
The USS GOD would be Kirk's flagship. Along with the shuttlecraft EGO... wich is too big to fit in the shuttlebay.
quote:Originally posted by TheWoozle: I can just see a ship named HIGH PRIEST
"Sir, we are being hailed by the Federation. It is the High Priest"
".. wha?"
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
The first starship with a starfleet cloaking device: The USS Spanish Inquisition Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mucus: All hail the Salla!
Indiana Jones' pal? Well...okay. He does have lots of kids after all, so mabye he's a fertility god or somethin'... Pretty much anybody not being killed on a cross is good with me. Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: The first starship with a starfleet cloaking device: The USS Spanish Inquisition
How unexpected.
Posted by Mucus (Member # 24) on :
Uh, its nothing to do with Indiana Jones. Its just a little reference to a comic I read with the Salla in it. Involved him putting Kirk on trial for violating the Prime Directive....numerous times.
Anyways, moving along Posted by CaptainMike20X6 (Member # 709) on :
quote:Originally posted by Styrofoaman: too big to fit in the shuttlebay.
they've never*cough*deltaflyer*cough* done that...
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
The VOY reference reminds me that I completely forgot USS Queen. And all the associated puns about things not fitting in the rear shuttlebay. Probably for the best.
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by Timo: The VOY reference reminds me that I completely forgot USS Queen. And all the associated puns about things not fitting in the rear shuttlebay. Probably for the best.
Timo Saloniemi
Was'nt one of the excelsior variants the USS Raging Queen ? Pretty gay..... I could see a USS Mercury though. Posted by CaptainMike20X6 (Member # 709) on :
about a Sovereign name, i was reading sites when i was researching my U.S.S. Valiant list and someone postulated that the Valiant NCC-75418 from the Nemesis map display might have been a Sovereign (even though it is also a popular sentiment that it could've been another Defiant)
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Why would it be another Defiant? The only examples of newly comissioned ships keeping to their old classes are the Defiant and Enterprise A. Both unique circumstances of a fallen "hero" ship being replaced to accomidate the needs of the surviving command crew. That sure doesnt apply to the Valiant or "dead Squad.
A Soverign class USS Valiantsounds fine to me.
Posted by CaptainMike20X6 (Member # 709) on :
well, there's no evidence to the contrary either.. there is fandom speculation about several ships of the Excelsior or Connie class that had 'replacements'.. and also, IRL, they keep making the Enterprise an aircraft carrier rather than assigning the name to another vastly different type of ship..
i kinda like it as a Sovereign better, myself.. i was just saying.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
The US Navy's policy on naming is NOT that of starfleet. Otherwise we'd see lots of starships named after Federation Presidents. And that would just be silly.
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
For some reason I used Monarch as the name of my Nebularised Sovereign, about 5 years ago. . . I can't remember why now. Galaxy, Nebula; Sovereign, Monarch: I should have used Princeling or something like that. 8)
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
You just thought it was "...a bueatiful bueatiful butterfly..." And then it ripped your face off.
Posted by CaptainMike20X6 (Member # 709) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lee: For some reason I used Monarch as the name of my Nebularised Sovereign, about 5 years ago. . . I can't remember why now. Galaxy, Nebula; Sovereign, Monarch: I should have used Princeling or something like that. 8)
i recall someone pulled a clever teh funney when they made the 4 nacelle Excellation ( Constitution-->Constellation ; Excelsior-->Excellation )
Posted by Phoenix (Member # 966) on :
quote:Originally posted by CaptainMike20X6: and also, IRL, they keep making the Enterprise an aircraft carrier rather than assigning the name to another vastly different type of ship..
Our (the Royal Navy's) Enterprise is currently a survey vessel.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
There's a Royal navy? Really, I thought you guys gave up all that stuff now that you're our colony... (ducks the thrown objects, barrelrolls and runs for the door...!)
Posted by CaptainMike20X6 (Member # 709) on :
at least its not spelled with a z anymore
Posted by Phoenix (Member # 966) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: There's a Royal navy? Really, I thought you guys gave up all that stuff now that you're our colony... (ducks the thrown objects, barrelrolls and runs for the door...!)
No, that's Tony's plan - it hasn't quite happened yet.
I think he's currently negotiating how many senators we get or something.
Posted by Wraith (Member # 779) on :
More like how much he gets payed as life President or whatever title he'll insist on.
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
I thought Tony's current plan was supposed to be the "ducks the thrown objects, barrel-rolls and runs for the door" part?
Timo Saloniemi
(ducks the thrown objects, barrel-rolls and runs for the door)
Posted by Middy Seafort (Member # 951) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: The US Navy's policy on naming is NOT that of starfleet. Otherwise we'd see lots of starships named after Federation Presidents. And that would just be silly.
Starfleet's, at least in Modern Trek, naming and numbering policy doesn't make as much sense as the US Navy's.
But in all fairness, the Navy seems to be abandoning much of it's naming conventions as seen in the controversy of naming the next aircraft carrier to be built after a currently-living ex-president, George Bush.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
quote:Originally posted by CaptainMike20X6: at least its not spelled with a z anymore
Y'know, that's weird. The US is the country that replaces the letter "s" with "z" in works. Prioratize - prioratise, recognize - recognise, and, er, others that I can never remember.
But this example goes the other way around. And is that HMS Enterprize a real ship?
Posted by Middy Seafort (Member # 951) on :
quote:Originally posted by PsyLiam:
But this example goes the other way around. And is that HMS Enterprize a real ship?
Apparently so, according to this FAQ on ships named Enterprise.
quote: 1709-1749 5th Rate Vessel. (UK) "HMS Enterprize" (sic) Length: 118 feet Beam: 32 feet Compliment: 190 Armament: 40 guns Displacement: 531 tons 4 April 1709, built at Lock, Plymouth, England.
28 April 1709: Completed and launched on
1709-1712: patrolled the Virginia under command of Nicholas Smith.
June 1711: expedition to St.Lawrence under Rear Admiral Sir Hovenden Walker.
1712-1718: Patrolled home waters from 1712 to 1718.
1718: undertook a major repair and refit.
1719: destroyed depot formed at Donan Castle by the Spanish expedition to the coast of Scotland.
October 1719: capture of Vigo by Vice Admiral Mighells.
1721-1724: Patrolled off of Virginia again.
20 February 1740: Renamed Liverpool, a hospital ship.
quote:Originally posted by PsyLiam: Y'know, that's weird. The US is the country that replaces the letter "s" with "z" in works. Prioratize - prioratise, recognize - recognise, and, er, others that I can never remember.
But this example goes the other way around. And is that HMS Enterprize a real ship?
Actually... I'm in the US and I think the correct spelling of both is z and not s... but I have seen recogni's'e before.
Posted by Phoenix (Member # 966) on :
quote:Originally posted by J: Actually... I'm in the US and I think the correct spelling of both is z and not s... but I have seen recogni's'e before.
Both spellings are acceptable in British English, but only the "ize" version is used in American English.
(There are however some words that can only be spelt with "ise" in British English, like "devise" and "exercise".)
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
That's right. It's pretty much down to personal preference. I tend to type "s", but I'll sometimes write "z", just to be crazy mad crazy.
But the US spelling isn't "Exercize" either, is it?
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
Am I the only one who finds it amusing that Enterprise features a "fifth-rate vessel" in its credits? 8)
Posted by J (Member # 608) on :
Exercise... I misread and thought they were talking about it any another form... got my English English mixed with the American English--- does it matter anyway? For the most part Americans read American written works and the Brits read British written works, at least the daily stuff like magazines and newspapers, right? I think that's the only area where this becomes important. When you get into net-related works, while American English seems to be a commerce standard... I doubt many people read with enough defination to notice the difference. When I'm reading, I go so fast I usually skip over misspellings or different spellings quite often because I'm not looking at the exact sentence just it's meaning and context [which usually includes dropping the adverbs and adjectives]. Sometimes I have to read it over because I didn't get the meaning, but usually it's easy enough to skim... all I see is recog and I know it's recog -nize -nise -nition or something along those lines the first two are the same and the last is brought out in context.
Posted by Middy Seafort (Member # 951) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lee: Am I the only one who finds it amusing that Enterprise features a "fifth-rate vessel" in its credits? 8)
A bit of irony, ain't it.
Posted by Wraith (Member # 779) on :
The rating system actually refers to the number of guns a ship carries; Victory is a first rate (104 guns), Bellerophon was a third rate (74 guns) etc.
Although the irony is fantastic.
Posted by Capt.Blair245 (Member # 1113) on :
hmmm... 40 cannon balls are comming at u! What do u do?
Blair
Posted by Ultra Magnus (Member # 239) on :
Defend myself with the unused 'Y' and 'O' keys.
Posted by Revanche (Member # 953) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: The first starship with a starfleet cloaking device: The USS Spanish Inquisition
Time: Now Place: Fleet Wargame Operations Area
Aide: "Commodore, all Orange force ships are formed up and report all ready."
Commodore: "Very well. Inform the squadron to..." [interrupted by sensor alert warning]
Ops Officer: "Sir, a new ship has just entered sensor range! It reads as NCC-47892, and she's definitely coming this way."
C: [thumbing thru his OPPLAN] "Huh? What that...that doesn't sound right...all the ships are here. [looking up at his command team] Did anyone expect the Spanish Inquisition ?"
[snickering heard]
C: "What! What was that! How unprofessional! I will not tolerate that kind of behavior on this ship, on this deck, on my team! I expect everyone to perform to the highest standards, time after time, just like the Roman namesake of this command ship, Biggus Dickus !"
[open guffaws]
Posted by Capt.Blair245 (Member # 1113) on :
quote:Originally posted by Ultra Magnus: Defend myself with the unused 'Y' and 'O' keys.
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Changing the entry now to Shras.![[Wink]](wink.gif)
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