Sweet... Now all we need is article for shuttle Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
It's still stupid.
Posted by aneurysm (Member # 906) on :
Ok can anyone possibly give a translation of the text please?
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
Sure, no problem.
This is a dune buggy. It has 4 wheels. They are made of rubber and are filled with air. It can drive really fast and has a big cannon.
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
Super Mega Dumb Turbo Crap, would be the appropriate Japanese ad to go along with it (no offense ).
Posted by SoundEffect (Member # 926) on :
Although I didn't think the inclusion of the vehicle in the movie was necessary (and that it was perhaps worse that it was a violation of the Prime Directive than it just being conceived of), thanks Masaki for providing the scan. I for one don't have access to the Japanese Fact Files, so keep those 3-views coming!
Posted by aneurysm (Member # 906) on :
quote:Originally posted by Spike: Sure, no problem.
This is a dune buggy. It has 4 wheels. They are made of rubber and are filled with air. It can drive really fast and has a big cannon.
Oh your a funny fucker aren't ya?
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
Well he makes me laugh.
Posted by Treknophyle (Member # 509) on :
Everytime I see this damn thing I shudder. All I keep remembering is Kirk's line from 'A Piece of the Action' when he saw the 'fliver': "Wheels, Mr. Spock". As in he hadn't seen them on a vehicle in some time.
Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
And it's about the 'style' of the Fact Files' writing. In fact, I think he hit it dead on. Let me quote from one of the other articles...
Ah, here's one about Talarian ships. It has an arrow pointing to the engines, with a caption reading: "The aft section contains the engines, which generate dangerous radiation." Let's see, there was one that stands out in my memory...
Bingo. In the article on the Class 8 probe that brought K'Ehlyr to the Enterprise, it calls out some raised detailing on the surface of the probe with the caption: "Raised ridges were located on the external casing of the probe." Really. Gee. I never would have guessed. Many of the other offerings are of similar lobotomised calibre.
--Jonah
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Seeing that thing from head on, it really doesn't look very stable. A strong wind or a 10 mph turn with Worf standing up would send that thing rolling.
Posted by SoundEffect (Member # 926) on :
If you watch the Behind-the-Scenes special on the Nemesis DVD, the stunt driver actually accidentally rolls the argo jeep and it doesn't look like he was going overly fast...
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by SoundEffect: Although I didn't think the inclusion of the vehicle in the movie was necessary (and that it was perhaps worse that it was a violation of the Prime Directive than it just being conceived of), thanks Masaki for providing the scan. I for one don't have access to the Japanese Fact Files, so keep those 3-views coming!
That's the reason why I think we SAW a 'dune buggy' it was to blend in with the vehicles the pre-warp natives were using... although they could have thrown away a line for that... unless they didn't think of it that way... which is probably the case.
I can't believe after going to watch "The Last Samurai" That John Logan wrote that movie AS WELL as Nemesis... something is terribly wrong there. It's got to do with Stewart and Spiner's fingers' in the pie.
Posted by Austin Powers (Member # 250) on :
Well, further bonus material tidbits on the Nemesis DVD indicate that the vehicle wasn't even specially built for the film, but that it was just some special dune buggy they rented from an offroad specialist and added some minor modifications to.
Also Patrick Stewart is shown to be an avid fan of these "things", extremely eager to have one in a Star Trek film.
Add that to him having some involvement in the script and, Bingo!
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
Writing a film is only the start of the process, allot can happen in the acting, directing and editing of a film that can improve or ruin a good screenplay.
I've actually reconsidered my opinion of Nemesis of late, I've actually come to quite like it, plotholes and pointless, Prime Directive breaking buggy chase aside.
My only substancial complaint is the way the Romulans themseves were almost totally neglected and it would have been nice to sneek Spock into the script...but that's another matter.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
Well on the subject of "it would have been nice": perhaps using Sela, a Romulan who actually hated Picard and the Federation enough, if slightly embellished, to do what Shinzon did.
Like with Khan there would have been a backstory established prior to the movie that we had year to think about prior to the 'sequel' whereas with Shinzon we had about 5 minutes to think about before we saw him take his revenge.
Anyway, I'm not saying Sela would have been a better choice, or that I would have liked it any better or worse, but at least a more logical choice for a villian - unlike the insta-villan we were given.
Posted by Sarvek (Member # 910) on :
Thank you Masaki for posting the Argo ground vehicle. I am more fond of the shuttle myself. It reminds me of the shuttle from ROTJ. If there was going to be a vehicle in Star Trek: Nemesis then it should have ran on anti-gravity and Starfleet should be advanced enough in their technology to use something greater than a ground vehicle with "wheels". That buggy is a throw-back to the 20th century. The shuttle looks more advanced than the buggy.
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
quote:(and that it was perhaps worse that it was a violation of the Prime Directive than it just being conceived of),
How is having a wheeled vehicle a violation of the Prime Directive?
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
It was the fact that they came into contact with a pre-warp indiustrial civilization that was the violation. He's saying that the entire sequence, being just an excuse to have the "kewl" dune buggy chase, was poorly thought out.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by Futurama Guy: Well on the subject of "it would have been nice": perhaps using Sela, a Romulan who actually hated Picard and the Federation enough, if slightly embellished, to do what Shinzon did.
I'd have made Sela in charge of the Romulan military (and explained that she helped in his rise to power by having the Remans refurbish a Dominion battleship into the Scimitar) and I'd have Tomalok in Dina Meyer's place as the Rommie that saves the Enterprise.
Sels would, of course, have sympathy for Shinzon's plight being a "evil twin" type of character herself.
And we could've seen her die on the bigscreen.
That and lose the dunebuggy scene and it'd be a great movie.
Nothing we shouldnt demand in the SE. Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't there some Remans in with that group chasing around the buggy? Assuming I'm correct, why would that group be a pre-warp civilization at all?
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Nope...that's something else that really couldve been done better. The primitave screwhead aliens looked too close to the Remans.
[ March 02, 2004, 03:28 PM: Message edited by: Jason Abbadon ]
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
quote:Originally posted by Malnurtured Snay: Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't there some Remans in with that group chasing around the buggy? Assuming I'm correct, why would that group be a pre-warp civilization at all?
Consider yourself corrected. (No offense. )
And they specifically mentioned the status of the Kolarans in the film, or at least in the script:
quote:
INT. ENTERPRISE BRIDGE
Kolarus III is on the viewscreen, the ion storm raging beyond it.
GEORDI I read six distinct positronic signatures, spread out over a few kilometers on the surface.
PICARD What do we know about the population?
DATA Isolated pockets of humanoids. It appears to be a pre-warp civilization at an early stage of industrial development.
GEORDI Captain, I don't recommend transporting, that ion storm doesn't look very neighborly. It could head this way without much warning .
-MMoM Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
Thanks also for the decent side-view of the Jeep cannon. 8)
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
You mean the highly ineffective Jeep cannon.
Posted by MarianLH (Member # 1102) on :
quote:Originally posted by aneurysm: Oh your a funny fucker aren't ya?
Just for your edification, that should be:
"Oh, you're a funny fucker, aren't ya?"
Glad I could help.
Marian
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
Now that's just stupid. Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
Mind you, B-4 was already fragmented on the surface before the Enterprise got there. The Kolaran culture was probably already contaminated by it.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
Mind you, Picard and company did not know this when they decided to "take the Argo for a spin." It sounded more like he was doing it for the sake of his own indulgence with little thought for procedure. Not exactly the responsible captain I remember from TNG.
Besides, no one said it was impossible to rationalize, just that it was poorly written.
-MMoM Posted by MarianLH (Member # 1102) on :
quote:Originally posted by Futurama Guy: Now that's just stupid.
Well, I thought it was funny. But it was really late, and there was lots of sugar involved...
Marian
Posted by Austin Powers (Member # 250) on :
I agree with MMoM. The captain Picard we see in the movies is very different to his persona on TNG.
There are moments in all the TNG films that don't seem to fit to his "normal" behaviour...
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
I think FC and Inn both had some very "picard" moments but only Generations does his character justice.
Posted by machf (Member # 1233) on :
My personal theory is that he never actually left the Nexus and everything since then is just the fulfillment of his secret fantasies...
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Yes, he always wanted Riker and Troi off his ship, a new idiot as XO,, silly seatbelts on the command chair, Data dead, Worf back at tactical, the Enterprise refit into an uber-warship and to become pals with the Romulans after a big fight.
He couldve at least kept the cute Trill conn officer though.
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