I was wondering if anyone had any images, both self-made or actual shots of an SS raven MSD. I can't remember if there was one in the various episodes we saw the ship and don't have copies of the episodes to check, but i saw over at EAS, there bridge drawing shows an MSD. Thanks guys.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
I'm pretty sure there was one on the bridge in "Dark Frontier" and I know I've seen a good one before, but I don't have it available.
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
Not the best quality. It comes from "Dark Frontier" I think. It was either shown in Astrometrics or the Observation Lounge. Click here. Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
A very poor screencap (anyone got better?) and U.S.S., but you get the point....
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
Damn been beaten to it by Mim.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
You son of a bitch.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
DOUBL JINXXXX I am teh mastAR!!1
Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
Whats that wonkey outline?
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
Fur.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Shag carpeting.
Posted by The Captain from M.I.K.E. (Member # 709) on :
It's transtemporal interference and it PISSES me OFF. I am from the future and we don't have to deal with this kind of SHIT there!
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by Captain Boh: Whats that wonkey outline?
It swims through space via multicolored cilia.
Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
Cheap monitors. I recommend using the degauss-function.
They have a shuttle? Did they already have Type-6s when the Raven left the Federation?
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Apparently. But they also had Borg. Which was a new thought for us too.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
Anybody got the recently-released season 5 DVD set? Can we now get a proper screencap of this graphic? Please?
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
You wanna spend the money? I gave up after season 2, and then TOS started coming out....
Posted by Wes (Member # 212) on :
quote:Originally posted by Aban Rune: Apparently. But they also had Borg. Which was a new thought for us too.
Well, the Borg were a myth not taken seriously by any real scientist and therefore wasn�t really acknowledged by the Federation.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
A fairly plausable way to explain really stupid writers, Wes.
Almost.
okay, not really at all.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
Eh, who cares. What's done is done.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Mabye there's some creative way to nullify that silly notion of the Federation having known about the Borg for years and years and done nothing about it...
Like saying they made First contact with the Bynars and assumed all those stories were about them.
Heck, one could even wtite a plausable account of the Borg crashing onto Bynar (hundreds of years back) and influenceing their culuture somehow...
Of course, I'd make the Bynars into traitors to the Federation: they'd want to be fully assimilated.
Mabye it's time to write an anthology or chronolgy series that just explains all the contradictions in Trek's timeline. They started that notion in The Lost Era run of books (though only one of those was truly exceptional and one was just....unreadable).
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
You don't even need to be that creative. Simply put, the main problem people have with the version of Borg-Starfleet history that developed through the VOY storylines, is that it's contradicted by the reactions of Picard etc. when they met the Borg in "Q Who?"
The way I see it, it's a big galaxy. There are all sorts of nameless no-nos out there. The Krowtownan Guard seemed a nasty bunch, they nearly did for the Ransom Gang, but Janeway & co never met them once or heard any rumours of them. So unless you assume that starship captains are fully briefed on anything that might ever threaten the safety of the Federation, like the Omega Molecule, then maybe they're not told everything and some things remain classified.
After all, what is our canon knowledge of previous Starfleet interaction with the Borg? There were the El-Aurian refugees, who might have told their rescuers something of the threat they were fleeing. This might have been classified, but it would still only be information of a threat a long way away. Then when the Hansens (do we know how they found out about the Borg? Do we even know how they got as far as they did?) decided to go investigate, they were able to get Sterfleet assistance. The crew of the E-D mightn't necessarily know about any of this, and querying the main computer might reveal that either none of this info had been uploaded to it because of secrecy, or maybe a Google search produced only hits about Swedish tennis-players. 8)
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
I can accept PIcard's initial reactions to the Borg well enough 9and you're right about dozens of nameless nastiness out there waiting) but for starfleet to know that SOMEONE was "scooping up" starbases from both sides of the NZ and not put anything together is a big stretch: if they really had computer files on all these incidents and on the Hanson Family's research.
You'd imagine Picard and Data would've beeen brought up to speed after BOBW on previous Starfleet/Borg encounters but untill Picard's line about "falling back" there's almost nothing to suggest ongoing skirmishes (aside rom Lore's band of losers nad "Hughs" scoutship crash).
I'd love to see someone bring back the ORIGINAL Borg (circa Q-Pid/BOBW)where they have a hive mind, no petty "queen" to make bad (and emotional!) judgments and occasionally grow their children in incubators as needed.
In the DS9 books they've gone into some detail about the Dominion's preparations for dealing with an eventual Borg incursion (even a brief skirmish)...makes sense really. I'd be suprised if most of the Major Powers did not have some sort of plan for invasion (romulans in particular after losing all those outposts).
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
It seems to me that the "original" Borg never existed. They were just Picard and friends' misconception, a confused reaction to a first contact with somebody who's truly alien for a change. I'm perfectly happy with the VOY interpretation of the species, and with the idea that the Borg were X-files stuff until the lid popped off in "Q Who?".
Regarding the Raven, I've already forgotten whether we glimpsed a dedication plaque or other graphic to verify this "USS Raven" thing, or whether it was just dialogue. Do we have a commissioning date? Clearly, we lack a class name...
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
This is all I got, I do belive.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
Uh, see the first page of this thread.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: I'd love to see someone bring back the ORIGINAL Borg (circa Q-Pid/BOBW)where they have a hive mind, no petty "queen" to make bad (and emotional!) judgments and occasionally grow their children in incubators as needed.
The problem with that is that you have no story. A super-powerful alien race that is only represented by their ship which is powerful enough to blow you to dust? They did that in QWho, so what's the point of doing it again?
The Queen appeared because, dramatically, the audience needed an individual (ironically) to represent the race. Q party did that in QWho, and Picard/Locutus did it in BOBW. Take them out, and all you have is a big battle with shooting and stuff.
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
Oh, no, we couldn't have that, the fanboys would be outraged. . .
Posted by B.J. (Member # 858) on :
I don't think you could have a real hive mind without some imposed outside control like the queen's anyway. Assimilate too many individuals and their collective control would overrule the originals who want to be assimilated, and would effectively end the collective.
B.J.
Posted by J (Member # 608) on :
If I remember the episodes correctly, the way the Raven got to the Delta quadrant was it got sucked into a transwarp conduit while it was following a Borg cube.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
That is correct.
At least they found a way to explain how a Federation starship made it all the way to the DQ. "Raven" kind of left us guessing on how the ship managed to get to that planet.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by B.J.: I don't think you could have a real hive mind without some imposed outside control like the queen's anyway. Assimilate too many individuals and their collective control would overrule the originals who want to be assimilated, and would effectively end the collective.
B.J.
I think that would just make a collective alter it's perspective: not end it.
SEveral collectives could swap members to gain a new perspective on a situation (like the Species 8472 invasion) instead of being stymied at a complex problem or needing to assimilate anew race that might already have the answer.
I figure there's several collectives and that each one operates semi-automomously as an indivdual. The Queen's may be one that took the notion of a "speaker for the Collective" to far and suffered for it. After all, if the Borg from BOBW had assimilated the Federation, would Locutus have retained his semi-independant status among the collective or would he have been fully asimilated and used as just another drone once his purpose was fulfilled?
The underlying ideology of the Bog is all diffrent in VOY as well: it goes from "improving the quality of life for all races" to "seeking perfection through assimilation of others". The latter is idiotic because they did not retain the adaptations learned from each race assimilated- they had to turn such adaptations "on" if they encountered them again, like re-learning a trick.
Posted by Wes (Member # 212) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: A fairly plausable way to explain really stupid writers, Wes.
Almost.
okay, not really at all.
LOL. Yeah, I know. But its plausable.
You have to somehow write in that Seven's parents were one of the first humans to discover the Borg. How would yo go about it?
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
Apply the BigFoot Theory.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Lonely, drunken Park Rangers and stupid campers? A cash prize for evidence spurring hundreds of fakes? That goofy In Search Of TV show from the '70's?
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
"The underlying ideology of the Bog is all diffrent in VOY as well"
General Order 1: Make peat. General Order 2: Swallow Picts.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
No, no...I meant the obscure 1980's horror movie The Bog.
Though, VOY had a murky storyline and a somwhat musty feel to it.
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
General Order 3: Profit!
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
The shuttle looks a little like the movie shuttle.
The ship looks roughly the same size as the Defiant.
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
I'd say the Raven is even smaller; Bernd's 90 m estimate is in the ballpark. We have a scale comparison with actual humanoids, plus this suggestive 4-deck layout, to support such a small size.
The shuttle could be a mere Type 15 pod or something. The big question is, how does it get out? The stern of the ship doesn't seem to have a conventional door, but perhaps the ribbed surface is some sort of an accordion-like door that collapses up or down? It's awfully low in any case.