quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: I'd love to see someone bring back the ORIGINAL Borg (circa Q-Pid/BOBW)where they have a hive mind, no petty "queen" to make bad (and emotional!) judgments and occasionally grow their children in incubators as needed.
The problem with that is that you have no story. A super-powerful alien race that is only represented by their ship which is powerful enough to blow you to dust? They did that in QWho, so what's the point of doing it again?
The Queen appeared because, dramatically, the audience needed an individual (ironically) to represent the race. Q party did that in QWho, and Picard/Locutus did it in BOBW. Take them out, and all you have is a big battle with shooting and stuff.
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I don't think you could have a real hive mind without some imposed outside control like the queen's anyway. Assimilate too many individuals and their collective control would overrule the originals who want to be assimilated, and would effectively end the collective.
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If I remember the episodes correctly, the way the Raven got to the Delta quadrant was it got sucked into a transwarp conduit while it was following a Borg cube.
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At least they found a way to explain how a Federation starship made it all the way to the DQ. "Raven" kind of left us guessing on how the ship managed to get to that planet.
quote:Originally posted by B.J.: I don't think you could have a real hive mind without some imposed outside control like the queen's anyway. Assimilate too many individuals and their collective control would overrule the originals who want to be assimilated, and would effectively end the collective.
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I think that would just make a collective alter it's perspective: not end it.
SEveral collectives could swap members to gain a new perspective on a situation (like the Species 8472 invasion) instead of being stymied at a complex problem or needing to assimilate anew race that might already have the answer.
I figure there's several collectives and that each one operates semi-automomously as an indivdual. The Queen's may be one that took the notion of a "speaker for the Collective" to far and suffered for it. After all, if the Borg from BOBW had assimilated the Federation, would Locutus have retained his semi-independant status among the collective or would he have been fully asimilated and used as just another drone once his purpose was fulfilled?
The underlying ideology of the Bog is all diffrent in VOY as well: it goes from "improving the quality of life for all races" to "seeking perfection through assimilation of others". The latter is idiotic because they did not retain the adaptations learned from each race assimilated- they had to turn such adaptations "on" if they encountered them again, like re-learning a trick.
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quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: A fairly plausable way to explain really stupid writers, Wes.
Almost.
okay, not really at all.
LOL. Yeah, I know. But its plausable.
You have to somehow write in that Seven's parents were one of the first humans to discover the Borg. How would yo go about it?
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Lonely, drunken Park Rangers and stupid campers? A cash prize for evidence spurring hundreds of fakes? That goofy In Search Of TV show from the '70's?
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No, no...I meant the obscure 1980's horror movie The Bog.
Though, VOY had a murky storyline and a somwhat musty feel to it.
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I'd say the Raven is even smaller; Bernd's 90 m estimate is in the ballpark. We have a scale comparison with actual humanoids, plus this suggestive 4-deck layout, to support such a small size.
The shuttle could be a mere Type 15 pod or something. The big question is, how does it get out? The stern of the ship doesn't seem to have a conventional door, but perhaps the ribbed surface is some sort of an accordion-like door that collapses up or down? It's awfully low in any case.
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