Well, I can't be trusted for a groan-able pun EVERY week. Things to look out for:
-A fusion of human and Denobulan tech. This is a jointly-run research outpost, but the preview clips seem to indicate it's mostly human in design. Look also for a new patch on the CS-12 crew's uniforms and lab coats.
-Flashbacks of Soong raising the Augments. It looks like the place was actually rather pleasant; why was everyone so eager to get off of "this rock"?
-Any other upgrades to Enterprise. While her maneuverability has never really been in doubt (mostly thanks to CGI, she's probably on par with Defiant and leagues ahead of the graceful sweeps of her descendants), the asteroid field battle this week is something we should be able to pick apart.
-Likewise, this BoP's capabilities. we've seen her in battle every epsiode we see the model, but how GOOD is she against Enterprise when not flying around inside an Expanse or something?
-What are the Klingons up to? Are they searchign for their ship as well? Or are they simply waiting to blame the humans for it as an excuse to start a war?
Mark
[ November 08, 2004, 04:38 AM: Message edited by: Timo ]
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
Well if you are looking for bad puns, thinking back to the odd placement of "tech" last week, you could have named it: $$Cold to the Tech [Touch]! ["Cold Station 12" Spoilers]. Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
That is indeed superior. Unfortunately, the time has elapsed for me to be able to edit the title. Perchance a mod be able to change it instead?
Mark
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
How tight is the edit window now anyway - apparently <2 hrs?
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
Two hours, if I remember correctly. After that, only an administrator or a moderator of that particular forum can make an edit.
As for "Cold Station 12"
We have the return of the triangular screen.
I'm getting the impression that the starboard nacelle is cursed. Isn't it the one always get messed up in an attack?
Cold Station 12 sure doesn't look like it's anything but human tech, though. I wonder if the Denobulan tech is the actual sensor and cryogenic equipment.
At least we know now why the genetically engineered embryos still exist: the pro-life crowd is still around.
Why does the lab have tubes capable of containing a human that can also have deadly pathogens pumped into them?
Poor Dr. Redshirt would have lived had he been chummier with Dr. Lucas.
Some of the corridors on Cold Station 12 have a Cardassian feel to them. I think it was the circular designs embossed on them.
The ending reminds me of The Andromeda Strain.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Decent continuation - we see the change in Soong to become somewhat less bloodthirsty, while the Augments only become moreso. I'd have liked Smike to hang around for a bit longer...
-The home movies that Archer discovered are strangely low-res. I mean, it's the FUTURE. They haven't developped a better digital video camera in 150 years? Perhaps it's something one of hte Augments developped on their own?
-ARGH! That damned movie prop with the lights that go back and forth is even in THIS century! And whatever the hell it is, it's on BOTH the Augment's colony AND CS12!
-While being twice as intelligent as normal human, and despite not having a proper dress sentence as a genetic trait, the Augments thought ahead at least enough to bring some bedding with them. The cabin we see is rather lavish.
-And speaking of clothing, how does the generic jumpsuit Smike gets size up to the one Sim got last year?
-Y'know, it's kinda wierd seeing the older stock shots of Enterprise when she's not all smashed up. It's been over a year, and we've missed her.
-Dr. Phlox is approaching another hibernation cycle. I'm sure this has been mentioned before, no? But it's certainly been a while, and I wonder if it's either just a long Denobulan year, or he took a nap in the Expanse when people weren't looking.
-They smush SIX people into the single transporter chamber. There's nothing really wrong with that, but that they've got the same capacity as the much larger TOS chamber is worth mentioning.
-It took three blasts from a phase pistol to disable that Augment. Given the newness of the weapon, what genetic tinkering did the 20th century have in mind when they did that?
-It's a good thing the agonizer booth they used to kill the scientist was big enough for one person. But since I'm sure they dodn't REGULARLY expose humanoids to pathogens and other airborne bugs, one wonders what those things are for in the first place.
-TELLURIAN PLAGUE?!
-We see the shuttlebay on the BoP! I'm willing to bet money that it wasn't part of the design, but was added to the model when it became necessary.
Mark
Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
Its probably the way stun effects a human that just happens to not be as effective.
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mark Nguyen: Decent continuation - we see the change in Soong to become somewhat less bloodthirsty, while the Augments only become moreso. I'd have liked Smike to hang around for a bit longer...
I wonder how Soong is going to react to the truth about Malik's death (because you know there's going to be a huge reveal in the conclusion), about Lokesh killing Smike out of "mercy," about Lokesh bringing along the pathogens (and I'm already seeing a potential ending for the conclusion here), and about Lokesh setting the lab to kill everyone aboard.
quote:-ARGH! That damned movie prop with the lights that go back and forth is even in THIS century! And whatever the hell it is, it's on BOTH the Augment's colony AND CS12!
On the plus side, at least we never see it in The Original Series.
quote:-They smush SIX people into the single transporter chamber. There's nothing really wrong with that, but that they've got the same capacity as the much larger TOS chamber is worth mentioning.
<hijack>I've had a theory ever since "Strange New World" that the pad set-up of the Enterprise is part of the reason for transporter psychosis. I never got it detailed, but the jist of it was that it reads the entire load as one big pattern and that that along with whatever compression protocol the computer uses screws with chemical balances in the passenger's brains. It also explains why personnel transporters from TOS on have noticeably seperate pads for people to stand on.</hijack>
quote:-It took three blasts from a phase pistol to disable that Augment. Given the newness of the weapon, what genetic tinkering did the 20th century have in mind when they did that?
I had assumed that this was something Soong programmed into them when he augmented the genetically engineered embryos.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
Great ep! Can't wait for the conclusion!
-- We start out with a history lesson given by Soong to his "children," eleven years earlier on Trialas. He talks about how the Eugenics Wars "devastated Earth." And how no one is sure whether the Augments or the humans started it. He doesn't mention Khan and cohorts simultaneously seizing control of 40 nations. I suppose records of the period must be fragmentary.
-- There was a protein resequencer at the Trialas facility. So they had those at least as far back as the 2130s, when Soong took the Augments there. Not all that new.
-- I wonder where Udar ("Smike," in reference to Dickens' Nicholas Nickleby) got that dangerous-looking knife he brandished at Archer and company. Did Raakin have them making weapons? I wouldn't haved thought Soong would encourage that.
-- Persis is quite hot, I must say.
-- The Denobulan medical shuttle Barzai (a fairly cool new design) is lured into the clutches of the Augments' BoP by a false transmission in which they claim to be the cargo ship Corsair, suffering from a reactor leak causing ten crewmen to be exposed to delta radiation. (Is this the same stuff that got Pike?)
-- They call the station C-12, not CS-12. And the exterior shots of it are really pretty.
-- Did I mention that Persis was H-O-T???
-- The station had been on "hieghtened alert" before the arrival of Soong and the Augments, once they get there they go on "Code Black." (I might comment, but now that Bush has been re-elected I'd better not...)
-- So apparently the Augments weren't engineered by direct DNA recombination or other entirely-artificial means like that. (Actually, this is in line with Spock's "selective breeding" line, though I'm not sure this actually qualifies as "genetic engineering.") They have mothers and fathers. Smike's were a geophysicist named Miklos Karlovassi and and an Olympic silver medalist named Irina.
-- While 30 million was the official death toll for the Eugenics Wars, some historians say it was actually closer to 35 million. (No doubt that by the next century, it'll have been upped again to 37 million. )
-- Henry Archer suffered from Clarke's sydrome, a degenerative brain disorder causing frequent pain, hallucinations, and trouble recognizing familiars in its later stages. He died of it when Jonathan was 12. (What do we figure that as, again?) Anyway, interesting and poignant footnote in the biography of the designer of the Warp Five Engine.
-- Nice close view of the Klingon disrupter prop. Looks farily fitting as a precursor to the sonic pistols of the 2260s.
-- I'm starting to appreciate the TOS-y "psychedelic" transporter makeover. (Mark: I think the only reason the TOS 'porter had a limit of six was because there were six individual pads. [ie, if there had been seven, you could have beamed seven.] There is just one big pad on the NX-01's, so you can beam as many as can fit on the pad.)
-- The disease the C-12 doctor was exposed to was Symbalene blood burn, which causes the vascular lining to boil away. Sound (and looks) unpleasant.
-- Soong's mother was a chemist.
-- Smike does have one augmented ability, enhanced hearing.
-- Archer pulls a classic Kirk maneuver (see TOS "A Taste of Armageddon") and gives T'Pol conditional orders beforehand to initiate the station's auto-destruct sequence on command, then hurriedly gives that command while Soong is on the comm with her. I really enjoyed that. Unfortunately, it didn't work.
-- Nice view of the 1800 other embryos.
-- Telurian plague, not Terellian.
-- Malik says he's going to shut down all the stasis fields on the station. But if he shuts ALL of them down, won't that release both the pathogens AND the antipathogens, thus cancelling eachother out???
Not very genius-like of him.
DOH!
And that's all, folks.
-MMoM
P.S.
Oh boy, the trailer for next week's ep threatens a "biological terror attack." Can I just take this opportunity to say ?
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
I'm sure there's probably a bunch of stuff they have there that has no cure... While some stuff will be cancelled out, there's probably an incurable strain of the whooping cough in there that'll kill everyone off at the beginning of the next episode.
Mark
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
- 1800+ embryos. Yikes! This must be a top-top-secret facility. Because Kirk & co. were convinced that the ~80 supermen on the Botany Bay were all there ever were.
- That Augment can program an algorithm for computing all possible hexadecimal numbers... what a fucking genius!
- Did we see that Klingon disruptor before? It's a powerdrill!
- The Lucas torture scene was disturbing. He's a nice guy. Seeing him covered in blood is... wrong.
- Was Soong actually torturing a former collegue of him?
- The diseases listed on the inventory where: - Xenopolycythemia (TOS: "For the World is...") - Synthococcus novae type A (TOS: "The Way to Eden") - Rigelian fever (TOS: "Requiem for Methuselah") - Tellurian plague (TNG: "A Matter of Time") - Anchilles fever (TNG: "Code of Honor") - Andronesian encephalitis (TNG: "The Dauphin")
- New and returning uniforms: The CS12 scientists are probably with Starfleet. Anyway, they're possibly wearing the Nazi labcoats from the season's premiere. Smike is seen wearing what looks like the same Starfleet fatigue (?) as Sim.
- Karlovassi is a Greek name. So Smike is originally half-Greek half-stereotypical Russian athlete.
Posted by Starship Freak (Member # 293) on :
Anyone has any tips regarding screencaps? My favourite fotopic has been ordered by paramount to stop posting episode pics. He had such great caps, good quality and size.
Damn, I would like to see cold station 12, the denobulan shuttle and other tech thingies..
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
Paramount broadcasts in digital format and then expects people NOT to make crystal clear screenshots? Or is it just that fotopic and/or that particular user claimed copyright or somesuch legal crap?
Posted by Starship Freak (Member # 293) on :
I have no idea, but it sucks! I heard rumours that fotopic isn�t the only site to have recieved nasty letters from lawyers...
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
And was it me, or was the Soong-in-embryo-chamber scene rather badly done, bluescreen-wise? There were very clear matting lines...
Posted by Starship Freak (Member # 293) on :
Thanks Harry! Caps are a bit small, but very nice. Are all tech things there? The asteroid is cold station 12? The denobulan medical shuttle and klingon BoP are there, was there anything shown in the BoP:s shuttlebay? Like a small vessel? Any schematics seen?
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
quote:Originally posted by Harry: - 1800+ embryos. Yikes! This must be a top-top-secret facility. Because Kirk & co. were convinced that the ~80 supermen on the Botany Bay were all there ever were.
No, Khan's 80 were the only ones unaccounted for at the end of the wars. The ones from C-12 were certainly fairly well accounted for, plus they hadn't even been "born" yet.
quote:- The diseases listed on the inventory where: - Xenopolycythemia (TOS: "For the World is...") - Synthococcus novae type A (TOS: "The Way to Eden") - Rigelian fever (TOS: "Requiem for Methuselah") - Tellurian plague (TNG: "A Matter of Time") - Anchilles fever (TNG: "Code of Honor") - Andronesian encephalitis (TNG: "The Dauphin")
That's very, very cool. About as cool as when they used the anatomical illustrations of all those TOS creatures from the Star Fleet Medical Reference Manual in the schoolroom on DS9.
quote:Originally posted by Starship Freak: Thanks Harry! Caps are a bit small, but very nice. Are all tech things there? The asteroid is cold station 12? The denobulan medical shuttle and klingon BoP are there, was there anything shown in the BoP:s shuttlebay? Like a small vessel? Any schematics seen?
Well surely someone here on the board can make their own batch of HDTV-quality caps custom-tailored to our own specific needs. (More ship shots and views of the arm patches, etc.) Any takers? Lee?
-MMoM Posted by Kazeite (Member # 970) on :
I just wonder how five Augments and one Soong have managed to move 1800 embryos to the shuttle in two and a half minutes...
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
The galaxy may never know... Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"So apparently the Augments weren't engineered by direct DNA recombination or other entirely-artificial means like that. (Actually, this is in line with Spock's 'selective breeding' line, though I'm not sure this actually qualifies as 'genetic engineering.') They have mothers and fathers. Smike's were a geophysicist named Miklos Karlovassi and and an Olympic silver medalist named Irina."
Well, the genetic material had to come from somewhere. Presumably, it was better to use actual donated ova and sperm, rather than, say, cloning (which, as we know from TNG, could have the problem of replicative fading). They probably tried to pick smart/athletic donors so that they wouldn't have to do as much tinkering. But there's no way they got those results through purely passive eugenics.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
That cap site just has blue pics saying I'm "hotlinking" - which I'm not.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
quote:Originally posted by Kazeite: I just wonder how five Augments and one Soong have managed to move 1800 embryos to the shuttle in two and a half minutes...
Presumably the Klingons and the Denobulans have transporters. But if so, why didn't they just beam the embryos out of hte ault in the first place? It must be shielded.
Mark
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
No, they don't have shields, remember? Besides, Archer and company beamed in with no problem. Matching the frequency of the stasis fields was only to allow them to remain undetected.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Well, not SHIELD shields, but maybe an interference field or SOMETHING to make transport of at least living tissue a bother. The beaming tech of this era can be destabilized by giving the platform a nasty look, after all.
Mark
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
I saw the last twenty minutes and it was the first time I'd seen the show this season, and all I wanted to do was make sarcastic comments about the convenient human-sized death tubes, but now that's been taken away from me.
(Re: Oglethorpe: "Ow! Why do we even have that there?")
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
The Klingon disruptor is the same as the one seen in "Broken Bow," and yes, it looks like a powerdrill. If it's built around a specific model, I've yet to see anyone identify it.
Also - and this is the first time - we get to see that the light attachments on MACO rifles actually work.
Klingon beds have sheets?! Who does the laundry?
Is it too much to hope for that for once we see someone get the death they deserve? Like Malik or whatever his name is, dying in slow agony? No, what'll happen is he'll probably get shot or stabbed by Persis when he does one thing too outrageous even for her, like decide to kill Soong. He'll then just keel over with a pouty hurt look on his face, I can see it now. . . Far more interesting would be to have all the Augments wiped out by Archer while Soong watches unable to prevent it. I want Airlock Archer back, not cuddly Beanbag Archer (as my wife calls him).
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
Hey, wasn't Dr. Lucas stationed on Denobula in the letters he sent to Phlox? Because it seems from this episode that Soong, Phlox and Lucas all know eachother from working at C-12...
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
Yes, he was - but Phlox says in the ep that his last letter from Lucas said he had a new posting coming up but didn't say where. Phlox had never been to C-12, and didn't know Soong either. I also got the impression that Soong didn't know Lucas.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Phlox had worked at C-12. I'm guessing not at the same time as Soong.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lee: I want Airlock Archer back, not cuddly Beanbag Archer (as my wife calls him).
BUT, does Airlock Archer still... fit?? I mean as a character - a person would he still have the same mentality - at the time he was in the Expanse with no answer and trying to save Earth from an unknown species building a weapon... somewhere. He needed answers or LOTS of people were going to die very, very soon.
I think a Captain still needs to be level headed and diplomatic at the best of times, that said - yes at the correct times, 'Airlock Archer' would be nice to see again.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by Sol System: I saw the last twenty minutes and it was the first time I'd seen the show this season, and all I wanted to do was make sarcastic comments about the convenient human-sized death tubes, but now that's been taken away from me.
(Re: Oglethorpe: "Ow! Why do we even have that there?")
Ha, Haaa.
That being said, what WOULD they use the tubes for? Maybe an emergency tube incase a pathogen escaped? A treatment chamber for anyone who may have inadvertantly been exposed to a pathogen and needed a dose of the anti-pathogen?
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by Kazeite: I just wonder how five Augments and one Soong have managed to move 1800 embryos to the shuttle in two and a half minutes...
Super-human speed, strength, intelligence and... logistical know-how? Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
And a shopping cart
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
To clarify:
Soong is shown teaching a group of kids "eleven years ago": around 2143. Those kids had to be at least, say, eight years old. So, Soong hasn't worked at C-12 since the early or mid-2130s.
Phlox worked at C-12 sometime before 2151, since we know where he's been since then. If he had worked with Soong, you'd think he'd have mentioned it.
Lucas mentioned in his most recent letter to Phlox that he was about to be transferred, but he didn't say where. It turns out that it was C-12. I don't recall when the last time was that Phlox mentioned getting a letter from Lucas, but, even if we assume it was before they entered the Expanse, we can guess it was 2152.
So, Soong worked at C-12 until the 2130s. Phlox worked there, probably, in the 2140s. And Lucas has only been working there for a year or so, tops, in the 2150s. They've all worked there, but none of them worked there with any of the others.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
Dude, was Lucas played by Wilford Brimley?
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
No. I think about the only thing Brimley "plays" these days is himself in those Liberty Medical commercials.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
Dude....
...nevermind. Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
Lucas was played by Richard Riehle. Also played Batai in TNG's The Inner Light.
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
And, horror of horrors, one of those awful Oirish holograms.
Interesting resume, though. He graduates from college in 1970, does nothing apart from a couple of films in the late seventies, then explodes as a character actor from the late eighties onwards. What did he do in that missing decade and a half?
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
Wow...
is sarcasm suddenly transparent around here?
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
Strangely enough, I typed up my post and posted it before your post beforehand came up.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
11 mins to find that name, huh?
Anyway, moving along, having just viewed this ep in its entirety -- is it just me or is this Klingon Bird of Prey more heavily armed than its 23/24th Century counterparts?
It has photon torpedoes, and wing tip disruptors which was what we have always viewed with the other BoPs -- but we've also seen its belly disruptors and belly cannons. But did I just see in the preview for next weeks episode disruptors up on the "nose"...or thereabouts...of its "head"? I'm not for sure, but that seems to be overdoing it, to me....
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
Maybe disruptor cannons become more powerful in the future, so it's less necessary to have lots of weapons points; or perhaps the cloaks that later BoPs have require a whole different type of power-distribution network.
Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
Its the same with Enterprise itself, its got weapon ports up the wazoo
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
Umm, so far the NX-01 has demonstrated something like eight out of her twelve "gunports", while the NCC-1701-A had eighteen... No great disparity there. (And the BoPs in TNG era probably had more guns than the ones explicitly modeled, too, since we see an aft disruptor fire in "Way of the Warrior")
Then there are the six "real" torpedo tubes and the assorted "unreal" ones on the NX-01, versus just two on the NCC-1701-A (but at least six on the pre-refit NCC-1701).
*Boy* how I hate commenting on something like this when there would be a whole cool episode to analyze... But alas, it's about two years before RTL2 shows it here (and then dubbed in rather dull German).
And *girl* how I hate not knowing how to rename the thread even though I'm supposed to be the mod.
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
Go to post #1 and hit edit. Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
Great... Couldn't you have PM'd this or something?
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
I could only imagine that the German dub would be far more entertaining. Yah.
Posted by Captain Stark (Member # 70) on :
One question springs to mind while watching this episode. The Denoublian shuttle is approaching C12 and they even announce that the station is on a heightend state of alert. Yet no one scans the incomming shuttle for life forms. "Uh sir, this shuttle that we were expecting 1 Denoublian on also has 1 Human and several Aguments."
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Were they even expecting the shuttle in the first place?
Mark
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
Well what was the BoP hiding behind to surprise the shuttle in the first place....the shuttle just showed up to the "distress call" and out of nowhere the BoP appears...why didn't they just straight up attack it in the first place, nothing was preventing them from that anymore than the ambush where they were "hiding" in/on a different plane of space? Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
It was more visually interesting
However they hid, I think they had to get on top of the shuttle before it knew what was going on so they could tractor it. A battle scarred shuttle would have raised questions
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
where they could have just warped up on it and surprised it like they did the Enterprise
Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
Well, as I said, the shot was visually interesting. I liked it.
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
The shot reminded me of STIII.
I didn't realize it actually was a shuttle before the BoP suddenly caught it. The exterior shots made it look far bigger, and the shuttle even had a rather large bridge...
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
Of course, that bridge could have comprised the entirety of interior space of the shuttle...
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
quote:Originally posted by Harry: - The diseases listed on the inventory where: - Xenopolycythemia (TOS: "For the World is...") - Synthococcus novae type A (TOS: "The Way to Eden") - Rigelian fever (TOS: "Requiem for Methuselah") - Tellurian plague (TNG: "A Matter of Time") - Anchilles fever (TNG: "Code of Honor") - Andronesian encephalitis (TNG: "The Dauphin")
In addition, I have just finished watching "The Changeling" (TOS), and discovered it to be the origin of Symbalene Blood Burn, the disease to which Soong exposed the unfortunate lab technician. Nifty.
-MMoM Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by Timo: *Boy* how I hate commenting on something like this when there would be a whole cool episode to analyze... But alas, it's about two years before RTL2 shows it here (and then dubbed in rather dull German).
Timo Saloniemi
Timo, I know what it's like - try and get broadband.
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