Oh, this is fricking sweet. The erstwhiile NV class! About time - and I guess we know now that Production never really assigned a name to it.
Now, "Does this thing have aft torpedoes?"
Mark
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
So, where's the launch bay?
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
*drool*... Now I want the flying wing...
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
Sweeeeet...
Okay, I've now calculated (based on the super-high-resolution images) the "official" dimensions of the Intrepid:
Based on the assumption (confirmed by Rob Bonchune in the second linked thread) that they used the same basic saucer from the NX-01 to work with the Intrepid, that means that it also has a width of 136 meters, the same as the NX class.
Working from that, I've calculated a length of 176.8 meters, and a height of 34.9 meters.
And I agree with Aban -- I want the flying wing now! Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Someone in that thread also asked him what the production staff referred to this ship as. I will be interested to see an answer to that if one is forthcoming.
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
Seems that the "chopping" process did away with all the phase cannon gunports. Since we get to see two torpedo tubes, we can safely assume the ship has exactly two - but the number of other types of emplacement is up in the air...
No large NX-style shuttle hangar on this baby, it seems. There are those four dark, squarish doors on the aft rim of the hull, though, probably serving the purpose. The aft view also reveals a kinship to Steamrunner: the impulse engines fry parts of the ship when activated!
I like the general chubbiness, and the extra piping on the nacelles. Despite the component reuse, this baby looks old enough to be the Enterprise's grandmother...
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
The flat part on the top of the saucer rigt under the bridge seems to be more narrow than on the NX. There are still docking ports on the rim of the saucer, though it would appear that you'd be exiting your ship and walking right into the impulse engine assembly. There must be some kind of very narrow corridor. Bad for off-loading supplies though. It would've made more sense to put the docking port farther forward, even though it would've been asymetrical.
No cargo elevators on the saucer top, and it looks like they lost a couple of portholes.
No running lights on the saucer edge.
If the saucers are roughly the same size, the NV's deflector is slightly bigger and it's accompanying machinery is less detailed, or at least hidden behind the dish.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
I think most of us are assuming that the NV-class will be remembered as the real predecessor to the NX, if only by virtue of its relative similarity in shape. Subsequent fan re-creations of this design will doubtless put more detail in it than the original intentions, such as cannon ports, a more efficient impulse array, etc. NV-refit, anyone?
Still, odds are that if what we think is true with the NX being discarded for more capable designs in the Federation starfleet, we won't be seeing more of this design unless they decide to revisit the Romulan War once and for all...
Mark
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
quote:Originally posted by Timo: No large NX-style shuttle hangar on this baby, it seems. There are those four dark, squarish doors on the aft rim of the hull, though, probably serving the purpose.
Those same doors are on the NX-01 model too (warning: supersized picture inside!). I think they have more or less been confirmed as being cargo hatches.
It almost looks like there's a 'modern' shuttle hangar in the back...
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
I love the amount of detail the NX-01 model has on it. It looks like there are two large sections on the aft part of the saucer marked off with that black and yellow warning indicator. It's as though that whole area can lift off or open up or something.
There's obviously far less detail on the NV, but you're right, it does almost look like a shuttle bay on that aft part. It also appears that all the cargo doors lead to bay 1 Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
I think you're right. Since all those doors and markings are part of the cargo handling, it seems like they can 'take the lid' off the cargo area. Pretty handy for an era with less-than-perfect transporters.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Yep, those marked off hull areas would be right over the area that the cargo doors lead to. Makes sense. If the NV model were more detailed, we might see similar markings.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
That aft feature on the NV is *so* a hatch of some kind. The texturing may have inadvertently disguised it, but I'd bet that it was meant to be a shuttle bay, or a core ejector, or something similar.
I'd really hate to be whoever has the quarters on C-Deck, whose windows point STRAIGHT UP into the bussard collector. Unless you WANT your quarters looking permenantly like a lava lamp...
Mark
[ May 11, 2005, 02:23 PM: Message edited by: Mark Nguyen ]
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
"That red light... it's burning my brain!!"
Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
Paramount seems to be getting rather generous with what they'll allow reliced these days... Shame there won't be much more.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
BOMBASTIC VOICE
I'd say the whole show has been pretty well reduced to relic status!
THUNDEROUS APPLAUSE
TAKE TWO
(something about headlice)
THUNDEROUS APPLAUSE
[These images are really neat, though.]
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
And I know I've made this complaint before, but will people who want to show off the details of their neat models please, please, please shut off the "realistic" lighting in favor of some distant and diffuse light source? I can better appreciate your work when I can SEE THE WHOLE SHIP.
The fact that every four or five view shot of every computer model ever has this same problem suggests that maybe there is a reason for it, but apparently that reason seems to be to annoy me to no end.
Posted by DoughBoy05 (Member # 1417) on :
Y'Know it would be nice to see a Tech Manual from this era...I know it will never happen, but one can dream!
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
I've seen people attempting to put together fan publications of that sort, but if you mean something official, no it will never happen.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
quote:Originally posted by DoughBoy05: I know it will never happen
Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
Miscellaneous ship info:
1. None of the Earth Starfleet ships were given class names other than nicknames (see #2).
2. The "Intrepid" type was referred to as the "Half-Saucer." HS-class, anyone? The other wedge-shaped ship was referred to as the "Warp Delta," and the "first Starfleet ship." Delta-class, anyone?
3. The "Warp Delta" is the same ship as the "moon shuttle" in the opening credits, with some modifications, obviously. Bonchune posted a terrific, large oblique pic of the CGI model. If anyone wants to see it but doesn't want to register at the site, I can upload it.
4. The "Sarajevo" type ship had no official class or registry, although a sketch of the ship by John Eaves is labeled "NC-27." NC-class, anyone? Also, in Eaves' sketch, the ship is labeled "Starfleet Elite Observation vessel," and was more detailed, including red bussards in front of the rear blue glowing thingies (thereby making it a warp vessel instead of a sublight ship). Unfortunately the bussards don't show up in the finished product.
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
What's with asking those stupid questions? "Do you want to see?". Geez. Get on with it, man!
NC-class is fine with me. But why does Starfleet need a special ship to observe the elite? Glad to hear that this was intended to be a scoutship or command vessel of some sort, rather than a combatant - form should reflect function at least to some degree.
No problem with HS-class and D-class, either, but I'll still insist on having "proper" names on the classes as well. NX = Enterprise class and so forth. And, well, Neptune class sounds like our best bet for HS now, considering that there is no conflicting info, and that a comparison to the nearest similar ship type would make sense in that silly captain's chair discussion.
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
Timo:
Unfortunately, I can't seem to find the darn upload link...
Oh, well. It's late & I'm going to bed now. If no one else posts it by tomorrow, I will.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
You tease me with the promise of these photos...
Posted by DoughBoy05 (Member # 1417) on :
Robs got a nice view of the AeroWing from Voyager...that wasnt what you saw was it?
Posted by B.J. (Member # 858) on :
Thats the nicest pic I've seen of that Romulan...er..I mean Earth ship. Thanks
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Sweeet.
Are there any 5-views of this ship like the ones posted of the Intrepid Type?
Posted by DoughBoy05 (Member # 1417) on :
Say yes! say Yes! "I'm asking you with my brain"
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
The Iceland! Yay!
And next up, of course we're asking for that Cutter / Sarajevo design.
Mark
Posted by B.J. (Member # 858) on :
There aren't any orthos of the Delta... yet.
He's said that next up would be the Constitution class Defiant.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Crap.
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dukhat: Miscellaneous ship info: 4. The "Sarajevo" type ship had no official class or registry, although a sketch of the ship by John Eaves is labeled "NC-27." NC-class, anyone? Also, in Eaves' sketch, the ship is labeled "Starfleet Elite Observation vessel," and was more detailed, including red bussards in front of the rear blue glowing thingies (thereby making it a warp vessel instead of a sublight ship). Unfortunately the bussards don't show up in the finished product.
Okay. I'd like to re-phrase that and call it the NC class surveyor, with NC-01 being the Elite and NC-27 being Sarajevo. So the Surveyor is really a Starfleet Elite 'observation vessel' .
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Mabye it's a spy-ship to use on the Vulcans (though this seems unlikely), or it has a subspace array built into it that allows for long-distance scanning.
Or mabye Eaves was just freebasing that day.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Probably ELINT, not elite. And I can buy NC class. No one had to say that the N? lineage is chronologically alphabetical.
Mark
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
The "No Class" class of ships?
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
The letters might also refer to ship type. The Enterprise and her classmates might be the first of the NX type, but there could have been multiple classes of NC type vessels prior to this most recent one. Say, Sapporo class (NC-01-05), Innsbruck class (NC-06-12), Lake Placid class (NC-13-19) etc. etc.
Going by that philosophy, the "NO Class" actually sounds like my vote for the Sarajevo! "O" for "Observation" and all. Eaves just drew the latter letter a bit carelessly... In that case, the Intrepid would probably be from the NC class (Navy Cruiser), the delta ships from NF (Navy Frigate), etc. In case of more than one cruiser design in Starfleet history, the pennant numbers would add another recognition feature (NC-09 class, much like the USN speaks of SSN-688 class or FFG-7 class).
Alas, such a system is vulnerable to further datapoints...
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
Well, the Navy is not quite like that for you see SS and SSN are not just different sub designs, but are of different sub types. SS is the standard diesel-powered sub of various classes and designs while SSN is a nuclear-powered sub of various classes and designs. It's the same will all the other types of ships the USN has.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
I like the sound of a "NO Class". They probably have duct tape holding the warpcore together and peanut shells on the floor.... Kid Rock could play their captain.
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
quote: Well, the Navy is not quite like that for you see SS and SSN are not just different sub designs, but are of different sub types. SS is the standard diesel-powered sub of various classes and designs while SSN is a nuclear-powered sub of various classes and designs. It's the same will all the other types of ships the USN has.
That's exactly what I meant. The Sarajevo would be NO-something because she's of Observation Ship type, but she'd belong to the Athens class of Observation Ships, also known as the NO-22 class and featuring the vessels NO-22 through NO-31.
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Irishman (Member # 1188) on :
I think the "Warp Delta" should be the Neptune Class, personally. Whatdoes it resemble in dorsal view if not the business end of a trident? The "Half-saucer" Not so much...
Posted by The Ginger Beacon (Member # 1585) on :
Just a quickie. Whats the furthest away from earth that the half saucer has been seen?
Posted by Manticore (Member # 1227) on :
Ceti Alpha V, in Twilight.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
Which, confusingly enough, is far enough out even a century later that Kirk felt he could safely leave Khan and his flunkies to run around on it.
Posted by The Ginger Beacon (Member # 1585) on :
So how the hell does anybody get on or off the ship? NX-01 was the first with a transporter (I know, that's safe for people to use). The Eric the-half-a-ship has got no visible shuttle bay, so what do they do?
Maybe they let out a long rope and drop it to the planets surface. It'd be quick to get down, but a bugger to climb back up!
Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
quote:Originally posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim: Which, confusingly enough, is far enough out even a century later that Kirk felt he could safely leave Khan and his flunkies to run around on it.
How long did it take them to get there? Wasn't the episode set a good 20 years in the future?
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
I'd think a location close to Earth is actually preferable: Kirk would want to dump Khan ASAP, and the spot where the supervillain was picked up was necessarily close to Earth, considering the supposed low speed of his sleeper ship.
The Ceti Alpha system could remain unvisited (and so poorly charted that a missing planet doesn't raise any eyebrows in ST2) because there simply isn't anything of interest there, Save for a habitable planet, of course - but those are thirteen in a dozen in the Trek galaxy.
As for how the Intrepid sends people up or down... Perhaps she doesn't. Her mission profile simply might not include any sort of planetary stuff, be it exploration, exploitation, SAR, or ground combat. We're spoiled by having seen so many multipurpose ships, but the pre-ENT era Starfleet might have decided to pour its meager resources mainly into effective space-to-space combatants, with the engineers chanting "not a pound for space-to-ground".
A space-only ship could be seen as a great technological advance in comparison with the older, clearly planet-oriented lifting-body ships, even if later experience would cause the designers to backpedal a bit. Or then there's a division of labor there, with the deltas handling all planetary stuff.
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by machf (Member # 1233) on :
OTOH, have you ever seen what they use instead of a trnsporter in Stone Trek? That sure gives a new meaning to the expression "away team"...
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
It's probable there are large-ish transport shuttles (20-30 people- like a city bus) that can dock with ships like the "elta" via a common gangway hatch (like NX-01's side docking ports).
With surface to orbit launches being safe and commonplace, a transporter is just a convience.
Posted by DoughBoy05 (Member # 1417) on :
quote:Originally posted by The Ginger Beacon: So how the hell does anybody get on or off the ship? NX-01 was the first with a transporter (I know, that's safe for people to use). The Eric the-half-a-ship has got no visible shuttle bay, so what do they do?
Maybe they let out a long rope and drop it to the planets surface. It'd be quick to get down, but a bugger to climb back up!
Aren't those like four shuttle bays on the back-end of the half saucer? Looks like two on each side with impulse engines at the ends.
Posted by The Ginger Beacon (Member # 1585) on :
I thought that too initialy, but then I went back to the NX and they are there too. I thought they were cargobay doors, bot mayby not.
Just because we've never seen a shuttle exit from there, doesn't mean it can't. Perhaps thats where they keep the spares.
Posted by The Ginger Beacon (Member # 1585) on :
Oh dear. I seem to have quoted, rather than edit.
I thought that too initialy, but then I went back to the NX and they are there too. I thought they were cargobay doors, but mayby not.
Just because we've never seen a shuttle exit from there, doesn't mean it can't. Perhaps thats where they keep the spares - it's a bit silly only having two shuttles that can take, say 10 on them. Even with the two on 'hot standby', thats still only half the crew.
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