I'll forego the bleeding-heart-newbie-rights-advocacy rant, but this site is actually a cool resource to check out.
WARNING: Those who are skittish about copyright violation beware.
-MMoM Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
See, now, I don't know what to do about this. I already removed the link in the post where the guy spammed us with that site. And yet, I know you're not a spammer. So...
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
While it's bad form to link such things on one's first post, it is a really good site. Killing that first tread is still warranted though to prevent people not intrested in really being a Flare member from joining and linking in all sorts of shit.
As to Copyright violation, it's kinda a non-issue with these aincent and often inaccurate fan blueprints....or with the stuff from the ST Magazing as they're all over the web already. Their KBOP is so far off that it should just be considered another class entirely).
Besides, I feel justified in saving those images- just from having to see that putrid "Timeship Prototype" thing that looks like a horrible mating of a Connie Refit and a hacksaw.
It's sad, but I think the age of the fan blueprint has come to an end. For example, I've never seen anyone attempt to make plans for Voyager or a host of other starfleet vessels.
Makes me sad (though I never bought any blueprints except for the (inaccurate) Excelsior from STIII, and that was many years after it's publication).
One day, I'll win the lottery and enslave Reverend, Timo, Lobo and a score of others to toil endlessly on ful color, plausable specs and blueprints for all the Feddie and Klingon ships.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
quote:Originally posted by TSN: See, now, I don't know what to do about this. I already removed the link in the post where the guy spammed us with that site. And yet, I know you're not a spammer. So...
At last, after all these years, I have finally succeeded in confounding Tim. Victory is mine!
While I understand your obligations as a mod, I nonetheless took issue with your excision of that link and so decided to exercise my...ahem...privileges as a long time poster.
In any case, I seem to recall precedent for not shunning spammish posts if they truly contain something of genuine interest to the board. As in thiscase.
-MMoM Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
If Tim lets it stand, I will. As for the copyright issue, aridas and David Schmidt have made their attitudes clear to the site author, and I guess them older folks don't really care.
It's not as if you could purchase Ianar or Renner blueprints from anywhere anyway, as opposed to David's stuff. (And I happen to like Ianar a lot, even if neither the side nor top view matches with the given dimensions...)
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Jag2112 (Member # 1386) on :
It was my third post, not my first
And it wasn't intended as a spam... I realized that the material on my site would be of 'some' interest to the general population of this forum, as is seemingly the consensus from the thread above...
As for the copyright issue, I've been reaching out to the authors of the prints I have online, and those I'm still in the process of scanning. Aridas and I are working towards a mutual agreement where I'll be able to reflect some of his works in the near future. The same goes with David Schmidt who allowed me to present some of his sheets...
The others have either yet to reply or, as Timo indicated, probably don't care enough to bother...
Anyway, just my 2 cents...
Sorry that my original post was taken as spam...
-John www.cygnus-x1.net Posted by Balaam Xumucane (Member # 419) on :
Because I have no life, I happened to see the post before it got clipped. And because I've been exploring some of the older ships in the interests of making derrivative designs, I found the scans there to be highly valuable. Believe it or not, I had a hard time locating a cross-section deckplan for a Constitution.
Which is to say thanks for the site, Jag. Consider yourself bookmarked. I'll be checking back for those Ent-B drawings. Sorry we're so paranoid about potential spam. It's just, well, there are a lot of folks who do post and run. There's a reason it's in the User Agreement.
Posted by Jag2112 (Member # 1386) on :
My pleasure, Balaam...
And no worries about the Spam issue... heck, from the outside I would have considered my post spam as well ... :-)
Look for the Ent-B drawings soon... Working on the Saladin prints now and will follow that with the Ent-B and Ent-C prints...
It's a shame you missed Todd's Excelsior prints (I was asked to take them down). While they're not as accurate as they should be, they were still a nice resource...
-John
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Drrooool. I love the Independance deck plans. The bridge for a computer-controlled vessel is pretty neat. The Lynk Class timeship, however, is UltraSuck.
Posted by WizArtist II (Member # 1425) on :
The Lynx should become the "Missing Lynx"
Posted by Jag2112 (Member # 1386) on :
I've never been too fond of the Lynx myself, but I figured someone out there might find it interesting...
One ship that's always been a favorite of mine since first appearing in the Technical Manual is the U.S.S. Saladin Class.
I took my time with these prints, wanting to present them in as much detail as possible...but I'm finally done.
Ooh. Yet another take on what's inside a TOS nacelle. Me likes!
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Nice!
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
That is nice (and I generally hate that design with a passion).
Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
Because it always falls over?
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Because it's both an obvious re-arrangmemnt of parts to be a new class (it's what FJ had to work with- TOS did not give us much by way of ship designs) and the idea of cramming all the engineering section in with the other stuff (like crew and consumables) into the suacer seems silly.
I have seen some very nice variantson this design (mostly with a shuttlebay on the dorsal saucer and some tweaking of the "neck")
Posted by The Ginger Beacon (Member # 1585) on :
But weren't those big red things behind the grill meant to have something to do with the impulse engines to begin with - suggesting enginering was in the saucer.
Like you say Jason, thats all FJ had to go on.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Scotty is always bemoaning "the warp engines" when those red glowy things are pulsing rapidly, so I doubt it...though such trivial concerns as engineerig locale were not on the set builder's minds back then.
I kinda thought (as a kid) the glowy things (and engineering) would be right where the nacelle pylons meet in the secondary hull.
Posted by The Ginger Beacon (Member # 1585) on :
I did wonder about the logic of the red glowing things being impulse engines - they just dont look right in my mind.
I have to agree with you though, as far as the sets were concerned it could have been anywhere on the ship.
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