ok and the usual explanation
oh and I can create an animation version with the 'wormholes' on a different 'slide' if you want...
here is explanation of my map.
Alpha Beta Gamma and Delta Quadrants
3d
Actual arms of galaxy not shown
Sources, and points of reference.
*The Quadrant and placement of earth as being on the boundary from the Star Trek Encyclopaedia first edition.
*UFP large over 150 members Picard (Star Trek: First Contact)
*Closer to the Galactic Rim than the Galactic center/core. TOS
*Romulans and Klingons on the 'right side' of the UFP (STE)
*Cardassians and Talarians (Suddenly Human) on 'left'
*Romulus close to Vulcan (TOS)(Unification TNG)
*Romulan Star Empire Close to Earth (Earth/Romulan wars... needed to
be close enough for old warp ships (capable of a few sectors at most)
*Romulans 'known' before Klingons (TOS) (Earth/Romulan wars) Klingon First Contact was afterwards and with the UFP) (disastrous first contact)
*R.S.E. close to earth (Past Tense) in alternate future Defiant scanned for Federation, wasn't there the closest readings were coming from the Romulans occupying a usual 'heavily populated region' of the UFP the Rigel system.
*Planet Khitomer is on the boader between Romulans Klingons and UFP
*In Face of the Enemy - TNG The Commander of the Romulan ship said she was commended for winning a boarder skirmish against heavy klingon assult...
*Romulans next to Klingons... (Redemption II - tachyon detection grid)
*Klingons and Romulans in the Beta Quadrant
*Klingon Empire spills over into the Alpha Quadrant
*Klingon Empire needs to be close enough for
*Quark to get there with in a short period of time (House of Quark)
*The Klingon outposts in Firstborn TNG
*the klingons to enter the war against the dominion before the Romulans... Sisko said once the federation and klingon empire fall, the romulans will be next ??a line of site??
*The Klingons able to War with Cardassia and UFP i.e. at DS9 (Way of the Warrior)
*For the Klingon Empire 'to expand'
*Bajor near Cardassia (Emissary)
*Bashir to travel to Cardassia in the wire in a relatively short time
*Bajor close The Three Cardassian ships arriving in Emissary
*Dr. Bashir Travelling to Cardassia in a relatively short time to visit Enabrin Tain "The Wire"
*Wormhole in Bajor system
*Still be 'Deep Space' from a UFP perspective
*Ferenginar needs to be close enough to DS9
*for Quark to go back and forth with no effort at all
*For the Grand Nagus to visit DS9 readily
*for all those Ferengi to visit DS9 readily at the drop of a hat (The Nagus' supposed death) in (The Nagus)
*Far enough away to be a rumour to the Federation in "Encounter at Farpoint" (Deneb "Farpoint Station" the ferengi were just a rumour)
*Quark and his Bar were on DS9 well before the Cardassians left at least since TNG season 1
*The Xenkathi close enough (but far enough away) for the defiant to 'show the flag' in (The Adversary)
*Doesn't look like the Xenkathi and the Obsidian Order didn't get on too well (or at least Garak) (By Inferno's Light)
*Romulans have had relationships with the Cardassians for a while (Garak being a gardener at the Cardassian embassy on Romulus (Apocalypse Rising)
*Klaestron IV close enough to Cardassia. allies with Cardassia Odo went to Klaestron IV in a runabout and didn't take too long in 'Dax' Bashir went to a medical conference on Klaestron IV in 'Second Skin'
*Kataria close to DS9 for the Katarian woman friend of Quarks to visit intermittently
*Katarians tried to take over the federation - The Enterprise wasn't far away from being at El Adrel, and Romulan Space and Klingon Space (The Game)
*Cassidy Yates said that Cestus three was on the other side of the federation
*Earth has to be atleast a weeks travel from DS9 (Homefront/Paradise Lost)
*Klingon empire can't be THAT close - Martok's Fleet had had a long journey - "Way Of The Warrior"
*Talarians on DS9 - Garak mentioned to Bashir that they took their time eating
*DSk7 near Shermans planet - apparently near the klingons "Trials and Tribbleations"
*The TOS pilot "Where No Man Has Gone Before" took place at the galactic edge - next episode (stardate) near the First Federation the Galactic barrier must be a closer distance out from Earth than the cardassian
*Vulcans first contact with earth
*Vulcans and Romulans must be sort of close - descended Romulans left a VERY long time ago - probably not in very fast ships
*Yridians seem to be hovering near DS9 TNG - Birthright and The Chase
*Breen on the desert planet where the cardassian transport crashed "DS9" Indiscretion
*Enterprise near where the black cluster where the Breen were thought to have been near and destroyed a science vessel "Hero Worship"
*the 'disruptor wielders' i.e. the Klingons Romulans and the Breen seem to be close together - "Generations"
*according to (not cannon) the Ferengi book by Ira Behr Robert Wolfe the Ferengi bought Warp drive from the Breen - hinted at in "Little green men" and the Breen settled the polar areas of Ferenginar
*the Prometheus was in the Beta Quadrant on a Deep Space Assignment "Message in a Bottle" on the map from Astrometrics it was a fair way into the Beta Quadrant...
*galornen core on the romulan/fed neutral zone "Unification" "The Enemy"
*there is a (or there was a) DMZ between the cardassians and the federation
*Dopterians a distant cousin of the Ferengi - "The Forsaken" and "First Born"
*The Borg seem to have come through Romulan Space to get to wolf 359 which is 'behind' the UFP in the line of sight to the Delta Quadrant
so the borg cube must have swung around... we also saw in Neutral zone the there had been a borg scout? digging up neutral zone bases...
*wouldn't put the Cardassians on the exact other side of the UFP compared to KE and RSE and Ferenginar cause of what i've said above!
*Dominion in Gamma Quadrant
*The Wormhole Gamma Quadrant Terminus and The distance USS VOYAGER is away from the UFP is about the same.
*Cytherians live close to the Galactic Core. (The Nth Degree)
*The Barzan Wormhole oscillated across the Gamma and Delta Quadrants.
*Delta Quadrant
*Caretaker way out on the edge
*near Kazon/Vidiian/Talaxian/Haakonan
*nekrit expanse seems to be v.huge a sort of buffer between them and the Borg
*borg space about 10000 LY.s wide
*Borg on the Denkiri arm - "encyc."
This list is constantly expanding
If you'd like to add to it e-mail me
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And is it necessary to show Voyager's outbound route? It's just another line. It doesn't need to be there, really.
One nitpick: Shouldn't the years be 2366, 2371, and 2375; not 2266, 2271, and 2275?
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The only thing I was going to bring up was what Fabrux brought up.
And is Krenim space 16,000 light-years across there?
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I take it you're using the official 35,000 ly measurement.
And hey, at least it shows the Krenim Imperium. Most maps don't. 
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those dates! what was i thinking!?!
heh heh
OK, I will change these things...
oh and I did the 'lines in Adobe - so I might take it into ole PSP - they have a better line tool.
Andrew
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In fact, who needs a lander, or blackjack?
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comments suggestions.
the explanations above still apply to this map.
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This is based on information that is semi-canon at best and is mostly speculation, but I'd put the Tholians closer to the Ferengi Alliance, based on some comments in that "Legends of the Ferengi" book.
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All of the info is from the episodes, or background info from Larry Nemecek.
There is no NO fanfic/novel semicanon stuff... - IF there is - I can only think of the Breen taking the icy moons of Ferenginar.
The blurry lines, well, I can't open my Adobe PSD file in PSP5 - so that nixed the idea of using Adobe to create fluid lines.
Does PSP 6 allow this?
maybe I'm doing something wrong. so I had to resort to the use of paths in Adobe to do the lines. (well the blurry lines)
yes they've been gaussian blurred and medianed.
Andrew
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I'm very happy that there's finally someone out there who's as interested in solving the annoying "How does the Star Trek galaxy look like" problem as me and seriously tries to collect all facts avaiable and creating a detailed, accurate map with it.
- It's an interesting point to place the Cardassian Union, Bajor and Ferenginar above the Federation to minimize the distance to the Beta quadrant empires. This would even explain why it's only 200 ly to the Klingon border (DS9 [104] Trials and Tribble-ations)
However, this contradicts with all the offical maps we know, because usually the Alpha quadrant powers are placed beyond the "Western" border of the Federation. I don't think it's a good idea to change this basic assumption. And you should consider that assuming this position, all these empires should have been known in the TOS era. Perhaps you could resize the Federation to a smaller diameter.
- Why are your quadrants irregular? I think they have to be placed symmetrically!
- You're position of the Voyager 2375 seems not to be right. Rick Sternbach gave me the information that it's only 1500 ly away from the Delta quadrant border.
Please take a look at my topic 'Voyager's journey' in this forum. Perhaps you can use this information.
I'm the creator of the most extensive and detailed Star Trek cartography web project in the internet and have investigated on this topic for several months. Therefore I suggest you visit this project and study it carefully - I'm sure you find information you can use.
Look especially for the size of the Federation and the Star Trek distances list I compiled.
Finally, I'm happy that the map of the Milky Way I posted to Bernd is used so effectively. Perhaps you should decrease the brightness a bit. Nevertheless, nice work with PSP5, I'm also using this great program for my maps.
BTW: this is a picture of the REAL Milky Way, so the arms are indeed the actual ones.
Admiring your skills on creating maps, your knowledge of Star Trek and your interest on cartography (not very popular, in the end), I hope we can chat a bit on this topic via e-mail. Perhaps you (or any other member of this forum) want to join my upcoming Federation Galactic Survey project.
[This message has been edited by Chris (edited October 08, 1999).]
P.S. Just in case you're wondering, v. 1.0 was based on the assumption that Earth was 32,500 ly from the galactic center, which has since been refuted by scientific evidence, and is impossible in the Star Trek universe based on simple geometry.
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Then again, it doesn't really matter that much. I do like that map a great deal.
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basically... unless the Cardassians, Klingons, Romulans can be displayed above or below the Federation effectively - to 'shorten the gap' - I've found that bringing them around the 'arc' of the federation is the only way.
OK the Cardies, could be along with the Ferengi a little bit further out... but Being such a big map - its hard...
I'll try and get my zoomed in map up.
Putting the Tholians Rommies, Klingons and Gorn close, allows us to assume the Enterprise in TOS could have visted these places easily... maybe exploration was confined to this area, or maybe it was these races actively pushing out their boarders like the Federation at this time, where as the Ferengi and the Cardassian hadn't gotten into full swing until later - i.e. the Cardassian Wars... 2350s...
Thanks for all your kind comments people - I'll keep trying to tweek the map for the better.
Andrew
P.S. oh the boundaries, were drawn with out a set square - they are not perpendicular with the screen they are turned around about 10�
and no they aren't EXACTLY perpendicular lines, but they're close enough.
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4. I'll have another look at it - thank's to chris's page, and list its good and bad points.
Andrew
Oh, I think the Conspiracy one - I read somewhere was to depict all the planets the 1701 went to, and I think Okuda might have added the Ferengi, Cardassians and Trill etc. for Keiko's classroom.
Andrew
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Where's the Sheliak?
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