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Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :

Anyone ever see any bridge blueprints of REAL modern battleships, aircraft carriers, and submarines? Especially online? I'm curious as to who REALLY gets to be on a bridge or TIC of a warship, and what they do. In particular, I'd like to know how it relates to the bridge stations and functions on a starship. Any ideas?

Mark

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

No-one gets to be on the bridge of a submarine ... it gets flooded with water when the thing is submerged

Most modern naval ships are commanded from the C-I-C (Combat Information Center). Basicly, the TREK bridges are a combination of actually ship bridges (where the ship is steered, etc.) and the CIC (where the weapons are fired, and combat directed).

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :

In all modern naval movies I've seen, except for "Crimson Tide", everyone except the helmsmen and radar/sonar-operators is standing!! It looks so uncomfortable. They could learn something from Trek.

I'd like to see the bridge on the Ticonderoga-class. Although they're ugly as hell, they seem to be the largest cruisers in service.
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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

It may just be an urban legend passed from fan to fan, but I recall hearing that a few official types actually did make a trip or two down to look at the bridge of the Enterprise with the intention of incorporating one or two of its imaginary features into real command centers. (Not necessarily ones on ships.) Of course, for all I know the features they were looking to copy were the yeomans in short skirts with bottomless cups of good black coffee.

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

I think I read something about that in the Washington Post ...

Posted by Shipbuilder (Member # 69) on :

The E-D bridge and naval bridge connection is mentioned at the beginning or end of the ST:TNG tech manual I think. Either way, when I saw it, I believe it was a direct quote from Sternbach.

If you go to here: http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/ddg-51.htm
you'll see the DDG-51 class bridge. Since it's design was finalized prior to ST:TNG I doubt they had much influence, but due to the undoubtedly common concepts of bridge design (centralization, ease of use, etc.) they have some similarity.

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

That's a diagram of the C-I-C, not the bridge. The bridge is what makes the ship go, the C-I-C is where the ship is fought. On Navy ships, they are two completely different places with two completely different jobs.

Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :

Jiminy jilickers! That's one HECK of a lot of information on naval vessels. I'm *so* bookmarking this - thanks!

Anyway, Karrde's right - you steer the ship from up top, but orders for that are likely given from the CIC. If that's the case, and the Captain's stuck below most of the time, just who's upstairs on the bridge? One guy with the wheel & throttle?

Mark

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Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :

I've found a partial reply to my own question. Here's a diagram for the updating of the Ticonderoga-class cruiser bridge from the 1960s to the 1990s:
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/smartship-2.gif

In the 60s, there used to be 12 people on the bridge at general quarters on a Ticonderoga. Now, there's three! The CO and everyone else now occupy the CIC, leaving the bridge to the quartermaster, a lookout, and the officer of the deck.

This is *somewhat* paralleled on Star Trek. On the Enterprise, there was never any real crew change from day to night, or even shift to shift (hell, there's never really a show where there's nothing happening suring a bridge scene). There's upwards of a dozen people on a Connie bridge at any time (assuming all stations are manned, which they usually are, plus all the extras standing around for no reason whatsoever).

On the E-D, there's the Co, XO, Counsellor, Conn, Ops, Tactical, and an average of two people at the back stations (an average of eight). On the night shift, there's only someone at conn, ops, and tactical (from "Disaster" - Ro, O'Brien and Troi were not normally supposed to be there).

And on Voyager, there's the CO, XO, conn, ops, tac, eng and sci, all normally occupied, plus at least one person at the back. The night shift includes conn, ops, tactical, and Harry. Talk about make-work! He'd be completely superfluous on the E-D!

Mark

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Posted by Shipbuilder (Member # 69) on :

Yes, it is a diagram of a Burke CIC, which is in effect what a starship "bridge" is. That was my point above. Starships don't have naval type bridges.

Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :

Were there Ticonderogas back in the sixties? I thought they were an eighties product, built solely with Aegis and SPY-1 in mind.

Or is the sixties bridge a Spruance bridge? When were they first built? And do their interiors have any similarities to those of the Ticos?

Timo Saloniemi

Posted by Shipbuilder (Member # 69) on :

The Spruance class was developed in the late sixties, early seventies with the first ship coming online in '75. Spruance class ships were primarily designed for surface and subsurface warfare and the Tico's, which came along in '83 were desinged primarily to conduct counter air operations. Both ships retain a multimission capability, but that was there primary design mission. The unique thing is that both ships are built on the same hull, with only the superstructure being different (due to SPY-1 system requirements). The basic layout may be similar but I doubt their CIC center is exactly alike due to mission requirements.

Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :

CG47 USS Ticonderoga
Authorized 1978
Builder Litton/Ingalls Shipbuilding
Laid Down 21 JAN 80
Launched 25 APR 81
Christened 16 MAY 81
Commisioned 22 JAN 83
SCB# 226

DD 963 USS Spruance
Authorized 1970
Builder Litton/Ingalls, Pascagula, Miss
Laid Down 1 NOV 72
Launched 10 NOV 73
Christened
Commisioned 20 SEP 75
SCB# 224

14th Ed. The Ships and Aircraft of the U.S. Fleet
N. Polmar

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