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Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :

Here's a sneek preview for a set of new and improved schematics for the Concordance Antares design and my subsequent refit.

Those not already familiar with these ships should take a goosey here.

P.S. Masao: I hope you're happy now, my ship looks all dark and murky. [Wink]

Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :

Simply amazing. Beautiful as ever. I'm really liking the refit. [Smile]

BTW, when are you going to finally settle on a logo for yourself? [Wink]

Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :

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Originally posted by Reverend:
P.S. Masao: I hope you're happy now, my ship looks all dark and murky.

Pretty close...

Posted by Starbuck (Member # 153) on :

[Eek!]

Wow.

I wish I was that good with vector art. Oddly enough, I'm currently trying to blueprint the same design for a fan group I'm involved with, but I'm pretty useless with Paint Shop Pro's vectors and can't afford Illustrator.
Took a look at the weblink and the design used there is similar to what I had in mind, with minor differences... amazing how great minds think alike, eh?
The one thing I really love is the pseudo-3D look you've achieved with shading and gradients. VERY impressive!

Posted by Wraith (Member # 779) on :

I want one!!!!

Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :

*wonders idly when the good Reverend will resume work on the Constitution evolution project*

Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :

It's a beautiful drawing and all, but the one thing about the design that has always irked me is the engineering pod slung underneath. It just sticks out like a sore thumb.

Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :

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BTW, when are you going to finally settle on a logo for yourself?

Variety be the spice of life. [Wink]

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I wish I was that good with vector art. Oddly enough, I'm currently trying to blueprint the same design for a fan group I'm involved with, but I'm pretty useless with Paint Shop Pro's vectors and can't afford Illustrator.

Practice, learn and repeat.

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The one thing I really love is the pseudo-3D look you've achieved with shading and gradients. VERY impressive!

The hard part is spending 2 months drawing an acurate vector of the aztec pattern, after that anything can seam easy.

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*wonders idly when the good Reverend will resume work on the Constitution evolution project*

Unless you want to start paying me for my time I'll work as slow or as fast as I feel like working. [Razz]

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It's a beautiful drawing and all, but the one thing about the design that has always irked me is the engineering pod slung underneath. It just sticks out like a sore thumb.

That's the plan! [Big Grin]

Posted by Sarvek (Member # 910) on :

Awesome work, Reverend. I can not wait to see your final product. I have always loved your Antares Class Starship. I have been following your design trends in the vessel for some time. Keep up the great work. [Big Grin]

Monkey, why don't you just back off. Reverend can take as long as he wants. Why don't you try your hand at designing the Constitution? [Confused]

Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :

Jesus, I was JOKING...

Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :

*Sneaks out of the room to change his drawers*

Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

Check your private messages while you're at it, Aban. Thanks.

Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :

Really, really love the Excelsior-style yet not kitbashed look. Perhaps something similar could be done to the Raging Queen and the unnamed three-naceller...

So what's the deal with the TOS version impulse engines? Are they on the pylons, like in the movie era version? Or on the saucer aft rim? Or below the shuttlebay? If not the latter, what is the doorlike thing below the bay? I missed all the discussion on the design back when it was finalized...

Timo Saloniemi

Posted by Starbuck (Member # 153) on :

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Originally posted by Timo:
So what's the deal with the TOS version impulse engines?

Looks to me like you got it right second guess - they appear to be on the aft saucer rim.

Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :

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Really, really love the Excelsior-style yet not kitbashed look. Perhaps something similar could be done to the Raging Queen and the unnamed three-naceller...

Hmm, I don't think a 10 foot barge pole would be long enough...

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So what's the deal with the TOS version impulse engines? Are they on the pylons, like in the movie era version? Or on the saucer aft rim? Or below the shuttlebay? If not the latter, what is the doorlike thing below the bay? I missed all the discussion on the design back when it was finalized...

You were right the second time, but their elevation is a little awkward because of where the pylons are.
This is half the reason why I moved them on the refit...the other half of the reason was that the ship looked horrible with two impulse deflector crystals on the saucer.

Door like thing? you mean this?

Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :

If you added just a few degrees of anhedral (or is it dihedral?) to the nacelle supports, you'd clear the impulse thrusters rearward as well as the bussards forward. Or else put the impulse thrusters at the very end of the secondary hull (the shuttle bay's below, right?)

Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :

Dihedral. Think of the F-4 Phantom II. The wintips are di, the tailerons are an.

Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :

Have I mentioned that I love this ship? Cause I love this ship. This is probably the best fan design I've seen.

Posted by Wraith (Member # 779) on :

Yeah, me to.

Incidentally I think the third version down on your prposals for a refit side view on the ASDB site is the best.

Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :

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If you added just a few degrees of anhedral (or is it dihedral?) to the nacelle supports, you'd clear the impulse thrusters rearward as well as the bussards forward. Or else put the impulse thrusters at the very end of the secondary hull (the shuttle bay's below, right?)

Ok I'll spoil the surprise and show you what I had planned for the Redux.
Antares: Aft

I didn't want to angle the pylons partly because it's a little too much of a departure from the original sketch that I'd care to make, partly because the flat one-piece pylon is one of my favourite aspects of this design and finally and I think most importantly I didn't want to draw any further design comparisons with NX-01.

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Have I mentioned that I love this ship? Cause I love this ship. This is probably the best fan design I've seen.

Same here, although there are days when I wish it wouldn't be so stubborn and finish itself. [Wink]

I only wish it was really my design at all.

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Incidentally I think the third version down on your prposals for a refit side view on the ASDB site is the best.

I've given up taking advice on that side view, I gotten such a hugely variety of preference but little justification.
I have a few fresh ideas concerning this and I should have it cracked when I come to do the plans proper.

Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :

At last! A sideview that I'm actually happy with!

Still a WIP, but only a few structural features left to do.

Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :

Yummy!

Posted by Capt_Spencer (Member # 312) on :

Very nice, Kris!

Jas

Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :

I'm in love.

Posted by Wraith (Member # 779) on :

Nice!

Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :

It'll probably be a while before I get back to doing the side view now that it's "frozen" so I'll leave a challenge for those artists who enjoy drawing up bridge plans.
Antares-II Bridge Module

See if you can design a bridge that can fit inside that.

Also a brief update on the Antares Redux; I've started work on the ventral view (something of a first for me), the nacelles still need to be sorted out properly but almost everything else is more or less done.

Antares Ventral

Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :

Wow. What can I still say? That's perfect.

Posted by darkhawk1701 (Member # 973) on :

Unbelievable! Great job!

I love how you used gradients to give it a pseudo-3D effect (has someone else said that? if so, didn't intend to plagerize).

I thought I had to do starships in 3D to get them to look halfway descent. You have restored my faith in 2D and inspired me to perfect my design ability in vector applications.

BRAVO!

Posted by Sarvek (Member # 910) on :

Truly Awesome work Reverend. [Big Grin]

I believe that I am speechless...

Posted by Aldiwahn Teerodi (Member # 931) on :

really great job, i love that design [Smile]

one nitpick: airlocks on shuttles are male and on ships they are female. your bridge airlock is male [Wink]

Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :

I'm sure he was just trying to be politically correct... [Razz]