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Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
 
.. from the Chronology. I'm working on something similar:


Not quite sure yet if I like this design. It is a bit silly and not particularly beautiful, and those 'wings' are a bit annoying to draw.

But here it is anyway. I'm not sure yet if I'll finish it, or if I'm going to make any derivative ships.
 

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Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
 
Looks good for a start! I think the front section is rounder in the Chronology photo, but the flatter nose does make the ship look more distinctive.

I've always wondered how fans could ever think that the Romulans had no warp drive when even the (formerly) semi-canon warship of the time had nacelles!
 

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Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
 
It's not supposed to be the exact same ship as the one in the Chronology (simply because those pictures are nowhere clear enough to use).

I think a compromise like Sternbach described would be interesting. Large warp-ships, with smaller impulse ships (including early BoPs) carried aboard warp carriers.
 

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Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 
Why do I hear the Flash Gordon music in the background whenever I look at those Chronology ships?
 

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Posted by Sarvek (Member # 910) on :
 
Harry, cool looking ship. Those ships from the chronology really look old in comparison to the Romulan ships seen in Enterprise. It is great to see a Romulan ship being rendered here. Are you going to have any other views of this ship?
 

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Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
 
Well, first I have to finish the sideview. I've just updated the wings, and I'll put the bird-like pattern back on next.


 

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Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
 
Nice work, Harry. That panelling work is especially cool-looking.

Of course, Okuda maintains these ships were sublight! Evidently the nacelle-like structures are for storing camping equipment.
 

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
Well they might go close to the Speed of Light?

The whole thing that screws EVERYTHING to do with Romulan warp history is Picard's line about Romulans getting warp drive a century before Insurrection!

I SUPPOSE you could say what they had before wasn't a reliable form of sustained warp - and that these earlier Romulan ships could only frog-hop from one point to another? Like only 10 Light Years at a stretch?

Maybe in Romulan ships the bussards are still for collecting interstellar hydrogen but the tubes are some other sort of drive?

I've always thought that that design for Early Romulan ships was a good one - and gave a good feeling of the 'chain of tech'. It was contemporary with the Daedelus Class I reckon - and cause the Daedelus is in the FUTURE from "Enterprise" - these ships might be too.

Pity we never saw who ever did that Romulan Ship - their version of an old Klingon Ship. All the ships in Enterprise are too 24th century.
 

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Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 
As good as harry is, he's still trying to make a design that's a cross between Flash Gordon and Lynch's Dune into something Star Trek.
It's just not very romulan looking in shape.
...and it looks like a big green toilet paper holder from the side.

[ May 23, 2003, 11:39 PM: Message edited by: Jason Abbadon ]
 

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
 

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The whole thing that screws EVERYTHING to do with Romulan warp history is Picard's line about Romulans getting warp drive a century before Insurrection!

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Originally posted by Jason Abbadon:
As good as harry is, he's still trying to make a design that's a cross between Flash Gorgon and Lynch's Dune into something Star Trek.
It's just not very romulan looking in shape.
...and it looks like a big green toilet paper holder from the side.

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Originally posted by Jason Abbadon:
As good as harry is, he's still trying to make a design that's a cross between Flash Gorgon and Lynch's Dune into something Star Trek.
It's just not very romulan looking in shape.
...and it looks like a big green toilet paper holder from the side.

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Isn't he trying to do this ship:

http://lobotomy.pleh.net/~flareupload/uploads/44/r02.jpg

http://lobotomy.pleh.net/~flareupload/uploads/44/r04.jpg

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Yes, with improvments I hope: it's just a lost cause to make that look cool or more likely than it already does.
It's a tin can made to be 50's retro for the Chronolgy and not a serious design.
If they had shown this ship in the episode with the Romulans most people would've laughed their ass off and changed the station.
Probably for good.
 

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
 
I'm sure, even if they had used this design, it would have been jazzed up for TV.

Re: "Insurrection." My interpretation has always been that Picard is referencing the (near disasterous) alliance between the Romulans and the Federation during that time period, which let us remember was so close as to put the Romulan ambassador in the office of the president during crucial moments of foreign policy-making.
 

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
So what was Picard's line to Dougherty then? Hmm?
 

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Posted by Griffworks (Member # 1014) on :
 

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Originally posted by AndrewR:
So what was Picard's line to Dougherty then? Hmm?

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Originally posted by Griffworks:
I've heard the same accusation made by others before that AndrewR uses and didn't remember there being an implication in that scene that the Romulan's only acquired Warp Drive Technology around the time of Kirk. Now that I see it written out, I guess I can see how the implication can be misconstrued by others - if the try really hard.

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Fuck Griffworks - you were WRONG - but you still have to be right? I mean WTF?

It's not Shakespeare y'know.

It's not ambiguous.

*rolls eyes*


 

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Posted by Griffworks (Member # 1014) on :
 
What was that advice you gave me again...?

Oh, yes: Chill Out.



Hypocrit.

BTW, I didn't arrive here from Trek BBS. I actually skimmed thru Flare before hitting Trek BBS and joined both about the same time. Not that it should really matter, tho. You were still reading in to the statement. Interesting that you don't seem to get all immature with anyone but me on that point, tho others made similar commentary. Maybe you just have an axe to grind for some reason...? Wouldn't be 'cause I caught you about that whole Colossus dialogue thing, would it?

When I'm wrong, you won't catch me calling people petty names and throwing a tantrum about it, at least.
 

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
hypocrit - e.


 

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Posted by Griffworks (Member # 1014) on :
 
Yep. Got me there. I failed to hit the 'e', it would appear. What would I do w/o you...?
 

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Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
 
Good god, who pissed in y'alls Cheerios? There's no need at all to turn a design thread into a train wreck. Geez.

Harry, excellent work on that ship. I can see how the wings could be a problem to draw, but you've done a great job on them. I really like the nacelles; they're quite cool. I can't wait to see other views.

As far that scene in Insurrection goes, the dialog seems to imply (to me, at least), that Picard meant the Romulans got warp drive a century ago. Obviously, I think Picard is wrong. Assuming Dougherty is correct in that warp drive was the catalyst for the birth of the Romulan Star Empire, then that development had to occur many centuries ago. The Romulans already appeared to be a vast empire in TOS's "Balance of Terror."
 

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Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
 
If someone said "we can handle the Romulans" one hundred years before INS, he would be right, wouldn't he? We always could handle the Romulans, except perhaps for the illusive Tomed incident.
 

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Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
 
I agree with you, Harry. Until the Romulans got their hands on all that Klingon technology, it appeared to be true. When the Enterprise went up against that Bird of Prey in "Balance of Power," it looked like it was a bit of an unfair fight. The plasma disruptors and the cloaking device were awe-inspiring, but Scotty derided the power that was "simple impulse." Plus, the only other weapons it was armed with were atomic missiles. Not that much of a threat against deflector sheilds, matter/antimatter power, phasers, and photon torpedos.
 

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Posted by Griffworks (Member # 1014) on :
 
I think that this article at Ex Astris Scientia summarizes my basic thinking where Romulans and Warp Drive are concerned: Warp Drive and Romulan History
 

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Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 
Y'now....looking at the pic from Chronology, I think the ship could be made to look romulan by making the cylinderical hull more of an oval shape (from the front view).
Not as much as the TNG warbird or anything so drastic: just a slight change in the X/Y axis.
Mabye tone the green down to what we saw in Enterprise as well.

You ever think of making a TOS colony ship? That wouyld look nice with the tugs and transports I've seen rendered here.
 

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Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
 
I did make some sketches for a TOS colony ship, but they didn't quite work out. But you know, some day..
 

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Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 
Tomorrow is "some day"....

I'd love to see you make a TOS version of the Colony ship from FASA.
It kinda looked TOS-ish already but definitely not a typical Starfleet design.
 

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Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
 
Speaking of typical, perhaps this old Romulan ship is actually their average Fleet Replenishment Tanker. Or Planetary Assault Mule and Ox Carrier. Since the actual fighting vessels were unseen thanks to cloaking technology, this is the only stuff the Earthlings could get intelligence photos of...

I think a little flattening would do a world of good to the design, too. Or a lot of flattening. The main problem IMHO is the too simplistic forward hull shape, which isn't coolified enough by the addition of that "helmet" or "chest plate" layer over the dorsal and forward surfaces. A more aggressive shape is needed. I'd actually go for lateral flattening, i.e. vertical elongation, to make the front look more like a D'eridex head.

Frankly, the ship can never be aggressive enough when the forward hull outbulks the aft part. That just plain isn't birdlike. Flatten the bow, generate "cuts" or "waists" into it wherever you can, play with the colors. Everything is fair in trying to make the bow look narrower in relation to the rest of the ship.

Timo Saloniemi
 

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
Maybe the big cylinder ship - is what carrys the smaller BOP??? That was mentioned in the Sternbach article?
 

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Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 
That would make the BOP far smaller than shown or the "pill" shaped ship far larger than the windows would have us believe.
You could say that the larger ships can create a large stable warp field and the BOP's fly in tight formation to stay in the bubble and remain at warp.
That might work.
The BOP's nacelles could be too weak to make their own warp field but could amplify the larger ship's field.

Definitely do some of timo's "warbird" alterations.
 

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Posted by MrNeutron (Member # 524) on :
 

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Originally posted by Harry:
Well, first I have to finish the sideview. I've just updated the wings, and I'll put the bird-like pattern back on next.

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Nice rendering, but there are a few problems with the proportions. I did a rendering of the same ship a while back and spent a lot of time extracting details proportions for the photographs. First, the ship isn't that fat...it's much longer relative to its diameter. Second, the engines don't protrude past the aft end of the hull. Looking at scanbs posted here I can see details I didn't see before that would make me revise/redo my drawing, but I think I got the general proportions right.

I once asked Greg Jein if he had better pictures of the model, but he didnn't.
 

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Posted by MrNeutron (Member # 524) on :
 

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Originally posted by MrNeutron:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Harry:
[qb] Well, first I have to finish the sideview. I've just updated the wings, and I'll put the bird-like pattern back on next.

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Nice rendering, but there are a few problems with the proportions. I did a rendering of the same ship a while back and spent a lot of time extracting the proportions for the photographs. First, the ship isn't that fat...it's much longer relative to its diameter. Second, the engines don't protrude past the aft end of the hull. Looking at scans posted here I can see details I didn't see before that would make me revise/redo my drawing, but I think I got the general proportions right.

I once asked Greg Jein if he had better pictures of the model, but he didn't.
 

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Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
 
Well.. I haven't really been working on this one recently, but it was never supposed to be an exact rendering of the photographs, but rather a ship from the same era.
 

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