The fore and aft views still need a little work and I'd debating as to whether or not I should depict the landing gear in the side view.
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
Well if the ramp is out and the dude is standing there, depicting the landing gear would make sense.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
*drool*
I want one for my house.
Remind me what your Korolev design looks like...
Posted by Wraith (Member # 779) on :
Now that I like!!
Very sleek. Have you thought about a runabout derivative?
Posted by Triton (Member # 1043) on :
Very nice Reverend! I am even more jealous of your talent than before.
I like how you used and integrated design elements from the Type 7 shuttle ( Sakharov) and the 1701-D captain's yacht ( Calypso ) it the design of the Korolev-class' captain's yacht.
I am assuming that the design is not warp capable? If so, as it should be. If the captain needs to go to warp on ship's business he should take his starship with him. Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
quote: Remind me what your Korolev design looks like...
All we need now is a patch and we're done!
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
This is very, very, very cool.
That is all.
Posted by Adm_Amit (Member # 1046) on :
Excellent design. Beautiful sketches and orthographic views and wonderful graphic art.
What more could you want?
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
I'm glad you both approve.
More is in the works.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
Technical tidbit time. This is what I imagine the specialised docking bay onboard the mothership looks like.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
This is pretty much what I've always thought one of these integrated vehicle bays would look like. I wish we had gotten a better set for the Ent E Yacht when Picard was loading up his bling bling in Insurrection. I thought it would've been cool to see the top of the Yacht peaking through the floor.
Posted by Axeman 3D (Member # 1050) on :
While I can see why it's look cool having the ship integrated in this way, I can't reconcile the enormous waste of space involved with this type of bay. I'd imagine space is at a premium on any starship, so why this size of facility? Are you going to have a crowd watching you leave? It also opens a vast area to space each time the ship undocks, or you rely on a huge forcefield to hold the atmosphere in while the ship is away.
A really figure-hugging recess such as we've seen in the series for other auxiliary vehicles makes a lot more sense, both structurally and in terms of space used. You leave a large enough gap around the vessel so you can work on the hull if you have to, but not a cavern. You can also allow the room to vent to space with no problem, it's much smaller in volume and can be locked off with an airlock anyway. Not as cool looking from some angles maybe, but much more sensible.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Hmmm... a good point, that.
The test shot for the departure of Voyager's drop ship showed us a fairly form-fitted recess. The Defiant's shuttlebay was more of a cavern, but it also had sealable doors.
I'm guessing that there would need to be at least a walkway space around the vehicle as well as at least one access point. But the upper level catwalk probably wouldn't be required.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
Point taken. Here's a more economical docking bay.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Now that's just a darn fine piece o' work.
I see a tech manual in your future...
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Forgive me if its been covered elsewhere, but why has the Korolev been redesigned so? I liked it the was it was!
Mark
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
Simple diversity, the Korolev looked a little too much like the Andromeda so Jason came up with a new hull shape, which we developed into something resembling the Olympic.
The nacelles and saucer will be basically the same, the main difference is in the secondary hull.
Posted by Axeman 3D (Member # 1050) on :
Now that's much more what I had in mind, figure hugging and not wasting space. I also like the touch of having the jeffries tube extend down into the ship as well, it would make for a nice level in Elite Force II.
If it ever comes down to making a 3D model of the bay it's going to be a bit of a bitch getting the docking latches and doors correct, because the rim around the ship slants downwards you'll need to have retracting clamps running down either side to seal the thing when it's at home, rather like cutting a yacht shaped hole in some doors and using them to seal it in.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
The way I envision it the "hole" in the floor should only encompass the upper hull, leaving the mid-line on the outside as a sort of shelf that where the mag-locks take hold.
There would be clams fore and aft to cover the potential gap which allow the crew access to the front door and inspect the impulse engine, but that's all. Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
quote:Originally posted by Reverend: There would be clams fore and aft to cover the potential gap which allow the crew access to the front door and inspect the impulse engine, but that's all.
Intereting. That way, you'd really need a lot of mussels to rip it away from the hull accidentally.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
I love the asymetry of the area behind the bridge. And this new bay just kicks butt. Even the consoles on the sides of the room make sense.
I assume the umbilical towards the aft end is for anti-matter replenishment. Would that retract far enough for the service hatch to close before the ship disembarked?
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
Not anti-matter since this thing is impulse only (at least until the refit), but the connection should provide a deuterium refill. There should also be a atmospheric pump, an ODN connection, water (before replicators) and electrical power (or whatever 24th century batteries run on).
It should be able to clear it since the umbilicus retracts up beyond decks that are portrayed here, If not then they can always close the hatch after the Yacht has cleared the force field.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Ah yes... an ODN connection for sure so it could interface with the rest of the ship....
Just out of curiosity, do you have a bridge designed for the Korolev Class? I'd love to see some of this kind of tech work for the inside of the mothership.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
We haven't even finished designing the Korolev itself yet, let alone the bridge!
Posted by Axeman 3D (Member # 1050) on :
OK, time to publicly reveal the added extra myself and Reverend have been working on since Sunday afternoon, a CG model of his IAV-106 design. I needed a test subject for a modelling technique I rarely use and he had a nice design floating around, so it was only natural we should collide here. The model itself is pretty much complete, a little tweaking here and there but it's about as near complete as any project like this can be.
I've already had a bash at making the docking bay and have shown Rev the preliminary picture, but first I plan to make the warp nacelle assembly so that this thing can go FTL, and look mean in the process. Both entry ramps at the front and rear are animatable, but there's no real interior yet, but you never know, eh?
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
Nice. That last picture makes it look weirdish, though. Probably just the angle.
That bow ingress/egrees area...does that door swing up? Out? Down to a damp? into a hull pocket?
She needs a name. Sadly, Goddarad had no children whose names we could use. But he DID have a great quote for a dedication plaque: "The dream of yesterday is the hope of today and the reality of tomorrow."
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
The airlock could open like an iris or swing completely to the side (like the DS9 airlocks)to conserve space. The refit could easily have a pair of nacelles recessed under the ship's hull that swing out slightly while in flight.
So.....who do I have to kill to get you to do that kind of work on one of my designs?
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
Nice quote Shik, *yoink*
And here's what I decided to call the Yacht.
Posted by Axeman 3D (Member # 1050) on :
Here's a little extra view for you all, plus a little bit of fun...
*** edit *** Silly me, forgot the depth of field in the last pic, it's fixed now. *** edit ***
[ July 27, 2003, 03:13 PM: Message edited by: Axeman 3D ]
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
You're a terrible man to toy with my modeling emotions so.
Posted by Griffworks (Member # 1014) on :
Wow!
Nice work. I'd have never known that wasn't a real pic of a real model!
Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
So AMT got the lisence back?
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
quote:Originally posted by Griffworks: Wow!
Nice work. I'd have never known that wasn't a real pic of a real model!
Coming from an actual model builder, that's a real complement!
Has know one spotted where the Yacht's name is from yet? I have a shinny penny for the clever lad that can.
Oh and for those of you not possessing super-human vision, this is what that silver panal inside the airlock looks like.
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
How can you name something after a nonexistent science officer? And his name was Thelen, by the by.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
He's not non-existant, he just got beaten out of a job by Spock.
And thats how the TAS site I visited spelt it.
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
Bjo has it at Thelen. So.
And seriously...an Adnorian XO? How many times over would the ship have been blown up? Would he have gone carousing with Kirkistan?
Posted by CaptainMike20X6 (Member # 709) on :
hrm.. Asherman's Compendium, and every website i find has Thelin.. the tiebreaker I guess would be Alan Dean Foster.. anyone care to check the Star Trek Logs?
Posted by Triton (Member # 1043) on :
Reverend nice decal for the Airlock Safety procedures. I have noticed that in step 1 the word indicated is spelled incated.
Although it looks pretty, I would change the color scheme at the top the decal from blue to red. I would put in a big exclamation point surrounded by a triangle and replace the word WARNING with DANGER. The whole purpose of the message is to prevent someone from accidently opening the outer door into a non 21% oxygen 15 psi atmosphere and dying of hypoxia or lack of amospheric pressure because they had no life support equipment on. It should be very clear that if you ignore the sign, you could be killed or screwed up for life.
Add something like "Hypoxia and Decompression Hazard. Possible vacuum, low oxygen content, poisonous, or hazardous atmosphere ahead."
Remove the numbers because these are not steps in a procedure, only steps should have numbers. Replace numbers with bullet points.
"If red warning lights are on, personnnel MUST wear pressurized suit with life support system to exit this vessel."
Looking at the operator's manual for my Drager Dolphin Mixed Gas rebreather, the manual contains big exclamation marks with explanations with the words "Failure to follow this warning WILL result in serious personal injury or death."
New line ---
"DO NOT OPEN outer door without the permission of the Environmental Systems Engineer or EVA Operations Supervisor."
"Emergency Escape. To bypass air lock safety protocols, state "Code One Emergency!" and then follow the emergency escape procedure posted inside the "Emergency Controls" box. ALWAYS attempt to exit through the interior before using exterior hatch."
The new arrivals message does not make sense in an airlock warning and procedure decal. Personally I would remove it and make it is own decal.
"DANGER! DO NOT BYPASS NORMAL SYSTEM CYCLING"
"Verify that all tool pouches, tricorder packs, and external hoses are attached SECURELY to suit using approved fasteners before attempting exit. Failure to do so could result in damage to the environmental suit or adjacent vessels."
"DO NOT bypass or ignore test, caution, or warning lights. Doing so could result in serious personal injury or death. ONLY attempt to exit when the the "Disembark" bar flashes."
"IMPORTANT! You may experience severe and disorienting gravity changes when leaving the vessel's artificial gravity field. DO NOT bypass the required adjustment period in chamber."
"ALWAYS verify the "Hatch Sealed" test lights before using manual override apparatus. ALWAYS constantly monitor the pressurisation gauges located inside the "Emergency Controls" box as you proceed to verify pressurisation levels."
"DAMAGE CONTROL & REPAIR
In case of damage or mechanical failure, emergency covers will slide out manually from sides to seal hatches and pressurisation ducts. Emergency repairs can be performed using the tool kit located beneath the "Emergency Controls" box."
New decal ---
"WARNING! YOU ARE ENTERING A SECURED AREA
AUTHORIZED PERSONNEL ONLY! New arrivals must undergo a security scan from ship's security to obtain a necessary security pass before embarkation.
USE OF DEADLY FORCE AUTHORISED! Obey ALL orders given to you by ship's security personnel. DO NOT ignore or violate security check points or enter secure areas without prior authorisation. Failure to do so WILL result in serious personal injury or death."
I think that you need a bigger decal, or perhaps several decals stating this required information. I would make the danger more apparent in the warning decal because serious injury or death may occur if the air lock operator failed to follow the content of the warning message.
By the way, I would recommend American English spelling instead of UK English spelling in the decals. Starfleet uses American English spellings and style.
Hope my commments help Reverend. Posted by Kazeite (Member # 970) on :
And add "the red line is for loading and unloading only. There is no stopping on the white line" Posted by Triton (Member # 1043) on :
And then add to that:
"Use of deadly force authorized. Failure to comply will result in serious personal injury or death."
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
If you go to page 446 in the Encyclopaedia (3rd Edition) you'll see where I got the text from. I just updated the sign to look more like the ST:VI signs.
It's not like anyone is going to be able to read it, I just thought you folks would enjoy a bit of trivia.
quote: By the way, I would recommend American English spelling instead of UK English spelling in the decals. Starfleet uses American English spellings and style.
You'd better check the temperature in hell first.
quote: hrm.. Asherman's Compendium, and every website i find has Thelin.. the tiebreaker I guess would be Alan Dean Foster.. anyone care to check the Star Trek Logs?
I thought D.C. Fontana wrote "Yesteryear"? Anyway, I like Thelin better, it sounds closer to how it was actually pronounced. Either way there is always room for interpretation when trying to spell alien words into a terrestrial language.
Posted by Triton (Member # 1043) on :
OK so Cochrane Fleet Yards uses UK English spelling and style.
I see the sign on page 446. Obviously the person who wrote the text of the sign has no training or experience in technical writing. Numbers should only be used in step-by-step procudures, this isn't one. So they should have three seperate paragraphs.
I was thinking that the signage of the captain's yacht needed more language of the type on the signs in Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country. Remember the "Danger EM Radiation Hazard" on the doors of the transporter room?
I got the "Secured Area. Use of Deadly Force Authorized" from a sign taped onto a fence made of yellow hazard tape that was constructed around an F-117 fighter on static display at an air show at Naval Air Station Whidbey Island. Had a rather gruff-looking Air Force guard with a nasty shotgun guarding the airplane. I thought what's the point of showing it to the public if you are too paranoid to let anyone get near the airplane to see it. It isn't like "Aviation Week" hadn't already photographed every square inch of the airplane and knew what material it was construced of.
The rest of my suggestions came from my Technical Writing eduction and my years of experience writing hardware replacement manuals. The people who I worked for were always paranoid that someone was going to sue them if we didn't spell out to the installer. For example, that you needed to inplug the system and turn it off before opening the case of the PC. We don't want anyone to get a nasty electric shock or have jewelry, like chains, dangle inside the power supply.
I thought that this detail was overkill until I met one of the company's authorized dealer technician/installers. A monkey with a screw driver would have been much smarter than this person. Every step had to be written in agonizing detail for this person to understand.
So I thought that I would recommend similar signage on the airlock because if it was used improperly all occupants inside the vessel could be killed and the vessel could be damaged.
But since it will be small on the model and not seen, the language of the warning decal is unimportant. Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
Plus I'd wager that Starfleet don't put untrained morons in charge of potentially lethal equipment. I'm sure everyone passing through that airlock wearing a gold and silver delta are well aware of standard airlock protocols, a sign like this is probably just an abbreviated reminder and mainly for the benefit of any civilians who might be aboard. Indeed in an emergency a detailed list of idiot proof instructions is the last thing you need, by the time you've read as far as "...ensure that all baggage has been cleared through security and any licensed tribbles have been sterilized" your eyeballs have frozen over and your skin is starting to turn a deep purple.
Now that I think about it, the only instance in Sci-fi where I've seen someone actually read one of these instruction panels is in Alien when Ripley is starting the destruct sequence.
Posted by Triton (Member # 1043) on :
Point taken.
As always, I've made suggestions in an attempt to help make designs better, not be obnoxious. Whether I succeeded or not is open to debate at this point.
I always liked the signage in "Star Trek VI" and thought it would be interesting if more starships had those warning labels. It always reminded me of tractors or heavy machinary and made it seem more realistic.
But I agree that you have to assume that Starfleet has trained its officers and NCOs properly or they wouldn't be aboard starships to begin with. It would be much too hazardous otherwise.
Posted by Axeman 3D (Member # 1050) on :
So, should I be writing the name 'Thelin' on the side of the ship in a florid, slanty handwriting script or what?
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
Nah, I don't think it needs it. The Enterprise-E yacht only had it's name displayed on the plaque.
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