So here's the prgress so far on it (and bear in mind it is a work in progress. There's a few things I have to finish and figure out, such as textures, and replacing the way too thin nacelle pylons, etc. But it's coming along okay.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
VERY nice. The shuttlebay and docking port thingie on the side have small details not on your model but it's looking great. Mabye brighten the hull color a couple of shades to more of a white.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
I agree with the hull colour - at the moment it is too... metallic-sheeting... Not that heavier whiter look - that 24th century ships have - which gives them a 'stronger' futuristic look.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Ooohh... dis em loverly!
Care to post a somewhat ventral view? I've always wanted to see this girl from below. I think that would be a cool view.
Posted by Wraith (Member # 779) on :
Very nice indeed! can't wait to see the finished product!
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
Wow, that's a nice model job there, Mark!
I agree that the hull coloring needs to be lightened a bit -- at least, if you want it to match what we saw in "All Good Things..." But IMO it looks pretty darn cool the way it is! Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
Very, very nice one!
Perhaps the lifeboats are a little too extruded, though?
Posted by Wee Bairns (Member # 724) on :
Glad to see someone finally working on a decent mesh of the Olympic/Hope class. Out of curiosity, how many decks are you supposing the ship has??
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
It looks like that ship has about 25.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Can we see a "sphere" separation pic please!?! I'm sure it has the 'mechanisms' for it - there is that connection between the primary and secondary hulls that looks like it could support a docking/undocking.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
That is one of my favourite designs... It just has EVERYTHING right about it.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
It's awesome that the creators would go all out in designing new ship for one episode of TNG, knowing it would probably never be used again (and it wasn't). Granted it was the series finale. But even Voyager with it's CGI didn't manage that. But I guess Voyager did give us the Prommie and Nova Classes which were also essentially one ep ships. So I guess my irritation is abated...
Posted by The Red Admiral (Member # 602) on :
Many thanks, glad you like the model so far. Here's a couple of quickfire renders of a few amendments (still wip)..
The hull colour has been lightened a little, and perhaps I did extrude the lifeboats a bit too much, but it's too late now! And no ventral view for now, as I have yet to fully detail the underside.
I reckon there to be about 27-28 decks in the sphere alone (not all windowed), which is the same as the physical studio model, of which mine is a direct copy (as best as I could do it based on the photos).
A sphere separation shot? Hold on to your horses! Let's finish the model first..
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
quote:It's awesome that the creators would go all out in designing new ship for one episode of TNG, knowing it would probably never be used again (and it wasn't).
IIRC, the model wasn't built for the episode at all. I was made by someone (Greg Jein?) in his/her spare time. Just a geeky hobbyist making a 'modern Daedalus'. But when they needed a ship for AGT, somehow that model was chosen.
The correct story is in the Continuing Mission, I think...
Posted by Phoenix (Member # 966) on :
Great name. Posted by The Red Admiral (Member # 602) on :
Yeh I thought it was fitting. Not only was the real HMHS Britannic of the Olympic Class of ocean liners (sister to Titanic), it served as a Hospital ship during WWI, (before being sunk in the Med by a German U-Boat).
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
I named one of my Olympics the Carpathia, after the ship who came to the rescue of the few Titanic survivors. More other Olympics are the Caduceus and the Familia.
Posted by Fleet-Admiral Michael T. Colorge (Member # 144) on :
Actually, I think Bill George from ILM made the USS Pasteur. It just so happens that when the six foot Enterprise-D was going through a retrofit for Generations while AGT was being filmed.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
Great work, the lighter hull colour makes all the difference!
You're defiantly getting better at making decals, the spacing is allot tighter than usual.
The only criticism I would make however is that it looks like some of the windows and hatches on the secondary hull come a little too close to the edge of the ventral undercut.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Actually the model of the Pasteur has quite protruded lifeboats - so I wouldn't worry about that.
The model was designed and built by Greg Jein in his spare time.
VERY nice Red - I think this might be your best yet.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
There seems to be some blue in places - like around the bridge area - see in this pic:
quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: The model was designed and built by Greg Jein in his spare time.
By Bill George, actually. Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :
Bill George built the Pasteur as a "labor of love", a homage to the earliest sketches of the original Enterprise by Matt Jefferies.
Posted by Axeman 3D (Member # 1050) on :
Thats as maybe, but what we have here is a fine model of a fugly ship. I suppose it's a great design for what is basically a flying hospital, but it's not the sleekest or most graceful option. I don't know what you guys see in it, it's a TNG'd version of an ancient design. Blech. Good model though.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
The olympic class is a perfect and original ship. It's graceful and most of all a believeable ship. I can picture flying into one of it's shuttle bays and walking its many decks.
I reckon it's not just a hospital ship - it's just that we've only seen it as hospital ship. Who knows - 25 years post AGT... they might have made the olderships the hospital ships.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Great job, Red! Really really nice. Pic 6 is just bueatiful.
I love the Olympic class! It lends itself to lots of variants and uses.... just none of them military. That's why it's not too popular.
It occurs to me that (with TNG's medical tech) it'd take a major disaster to ever use a Olympic to it's full capacity. The ship must have hundreds of beds...at least!
Posted by The Red Admiral (Member # 602) on :
A good and very interesting variant there Jason. Most cool. I have to say though I do like the Olympic. I would say it was particularly original, rather than a rehash of an old design. I mean, isn't virtually every other ship a rehash and rearrangement of the Connie..?
Many thanks for the positive comments:
Reverend: Believe it if you can, all decals are modelled! right down to the Starfleet Medical logo. It was easier in this instance to get a finer precision in matching it to the physical model. Mapping images across a sphere isn't the simplest thing, besides, drawing the logo for instance in Photoshop would've been my idea of a nightmare. I see that some of the windows appear to be close to the edge in places but the shadow along the rather severe smoothing angle makes it deceptive.
AndrewR: Thanks for the picture, I didn't have that one as reference. It would have been very useful, and still will be as I refine the details.
Kenny: cheers. 'Fugly' it might be to some, but I rarely subscribe to the purely aesthetic option. This design has tons of character.
Posted by The Red Admiral (Member # 602) on :
A few slight amendments here, including increased smoothing bias in the upper secondary hull unit, further hull and sphere detailing (not really observable in this image), and some texture refinements.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
I have about 14 pictures of the Olympic class... I could upload them to Flare or something... Some of them ARE fuzzy.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by The Red Admiral: Kenny: cheers. 'Fugly' it might be to some, but I rarely subscribe to the purely aesthetic option. This design has tons of character.
I agree. Now go build us a nice Elkins! Posted by The Red Admiral (Member # 602) on :
Fugly doesn't come close to describing that atrocity. It is the only ship actually detest. I have a model of the Medusa, and some call that a monstosity. No, my next project is to rebuild Nebula Class (again). I Never did get that one nailed down to my satisfaction. The saucer's done.
Andrew: yes I'd gratefully accept any further pics you have of the Pasteur... cheers
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
quote: Reverend: Believe it if you can, all decals are modelled! right down to the Starfleet Medical logo. It was easier in this instance to get a finer precision in matching it to the physical model. Mapping images across a sphere isn't the simplest thing, besides, drawing the logo for instance in Photoshop would've been my idea of a nightmare. I see that some of the windows appear to be close to the edge in places but the shadow along the rather severe smoothing angle makes it deceptive.
Oh I believe it alright. I can tell that those are not image maps, the edges are too sharp and there's no stretch distortion. You've done a fine job with the logo, but if you did want one drawn then you only needed to ask. I've had it on my 'shelf' for years. I understand that Photoshop's vector suit is a little less user friendly that PSP's but I can't see how you'd have any difficulty drawing it I've you've already managed to model it. It's just points and vertices.
The Olympic is definatly ugly but at least it has character, something that cannot be said for most other fan designs. Besides, I like ugly looking ships.
As for the Elkins...I'd rather just ignore this one altogether or squint really hard and pretend that it's really Sternbach's proto-Voyager.
Posted by The Red Admiral (Member # 602) on :
What vector suit in Photoshop...? it must be a separate plugin, or are you talking about Adobe Illustrator? Either way, Photoshop is about as useful at Paint - you're basically limited to freehand design. (anyway, it's tailored for the manipulation of existing images, not their creation). I wonder if PSP available on Kazaa..
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
You can create paths in Photoshop. It's just not as felxible as Illustrator.
I actually like the Olympic. It's definitely a Starfleet design but something different than what we'd seen before. I always thought it was very cool.
Posted by Axeman 3D (Member # 1050) on :
I stand by my first assessment, fugly ship but well suited for it's purpose. It looks like an early TNG ship with a chromosome missing, if you know what I mean. The Elkins looks ok from a distance, I like the look of it from above and from certain side angles, but Jesus it's ugly looking close up and any view that shows the underside. It's kinda like a huge Voyager 'speedboat' shuttle when viewed from above, but like a collision from below.
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