This is based on the covers of the novels, right? I love the layout.
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
What's that forward station?
Posted by japol (Member # 1149) on :
Yeah... what is that? Enterprise-C had it too. Never made any sense to me. No seat and the conn and ops are already taken care of. Someone goes up front to use it and the captain starts yelling, "Down in front!"
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
It's a playstation / game cube / dvd player. The viewscreen provides excellent game play for the night shift.
Posted by Kazeite (Member # 970) on :
Thank you for feedback.
Well, this bridge wasn't based on covers of the novels. I mean, the are nice, but besides familiar horseshoe structure one couldn't see much of the bridge layout.
This bridge is based on layout shown in "Double Time" New Frontier comic book. What I could gather from two screenshots I found it's basically cross between Ambassador and Galaxy bridges.
And yes, that forward console is definetly there and no, I have no idea what does it do either.
(And look what I found now trying to find those caps again...)
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
That's what he was using for his portfolio?!? It's not bad, exactly......just really heavy with the black lines and it looks like he made it in MS Paint. Not bad if it's just initial concept art.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
The doors are off, according to this. The aft starboard door goes to the conference room, and the fore starboard is the other turbo. Also, the doors themselves are pretty much where they were on the E-C set, with the additional two taking the place of wall panels aft. Compare this to the E-C bridge iso, HERE.
Mark
Posted by Kazeite (Member # 970) on :
Whoa...
Thanks for this picture, Mark. I'll get to updating right away Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
The forward console of the E-C could easily be the helm, complete with one or two seats for the helmsman and the navigator. The way the bridge is trashed by the Romulans, a chair or two could easily go missing...
The two seat/console combos further back but still forward of the command chair could be Ops and Tactical, assuming those positions exist in the E-C era (we don't really hear of Ops in "Y's E", now do we?). After the forward console is blasted to hell, the crew simply reroutes Helm to one of those two consoles.
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
Did the Enterprise-B not have Ops?
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Not mentioned in the script. We know helm is where Sulu was sitting, and the script puts the navigator ("we're the only ship in range") as the person at the other one. The aft console could be anything but is only mentioned in ths script as a transporter console. Unlikely that that is the console's only function, as it would not likely be placed there for a view of the window.
The "Y's E" script reads, "Parker, you've got ops. Fredricks, you take the conn". Yar then chimes in and says she'll handle tactical, and then sits at the left console. We don't know who (if anyone) sat at the other, as it was off-camera. However, during the earlier attack Castillo initiates evasive maneuvers from the starboard console, so...
Mark
[ May 13, 2004, 01:04 PM: Message edited by: Mark Nguyen ]
Posted by Kazeite (Member # 970) on :
U.S.S. Excalibur bridge, take two
(Now compare that with "DoubleTime" layout... I definetly see differences here.
Anyway, since I think that scribbling on "Hard Time" layout states that ready room and observation lounge are supposed to be taken from Ent-E, I went ahead and added them as well.
What do you think?
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Is 13 the ready room? It looks too big.
Posted by MarianLH (Member # 1102) on :
Where's the head?
Marian
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
In that hallway between the obs deck and the bridge... or the turbolift
Subsequently most of the action takes place on the Bridge! Posted by MirrorCaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
for the fun part, let's match this bridge with the shape of the bridge module on the Excalibur studio model...
Posted by MirrorCaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
grr..
Posted by MirrorCaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
this picture is from when the model was in the later, Yamaguchi configuration.. the only modification made to the upper tower and bridge were the rearranging of lifeboat hatches, so it doesnt have an impact on this what modification it is
(BTW, was the Excalibur fimed in ENT-C modification or was it already modified like the Zhukov/Yamaguchi appearances?.. i know battle damage was removed, but i dont know how many of the new features [extra shuttlebay, nacelle caps, etc..] were in place when the model was shot as Excalibur)
anywho, the closest observation lounge windows look like they are way down deck 2 aft, although there are (at least on many fan illustrations) several round portholes on the front of the bridge module itself.. this also isnt the 'wide and busy' style of bridge like the Galaxy, its a standard dome without outlines for all the ready rooms and toilets and lounges like the E-D, maybe we should assume these are all deck 2?
unless we disregard the details of the model, which wasnt visible much as Excalibur onscreen, and assume the Exc. is a further variant based on how Peter David devised it. or, a likely possibility, the bridge module was rebuilt or replaced after the Borg battle at Earth, the damage caused when Captain Korsmo was killed.. (perhaps it didnt have Voyager style command chairs originally)..
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
The Excalibur was the Zhukov/Yamaguchi variant and was even labeled as the Excalibur NCC-26517. Stock footage from "YE" of the E-C was used when the Excalibur was meeting with the E-D.
And I think the variant model was actually a different filming model than the E-C model.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Another slight detail change is that there are two large transporter emiters where those mentioned lifeboats were removed. THe bridge stayed the same as the "C". hile I really love the bridge schematic in progress, if we superimpose the circular shape of the Amby's bridge over it, we get a LOT of (so far) unused space. I suggest adding a staircase down to the next deck, emergency communications gear, a bathroom or two and a transporter room.
Could the station at the front of the bridge be for controling the view screen? The first comic picture shows someone giving briefing like data off the main screen, and if they were up there it would be easier to control the screen from there than going to another console
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Possible - but it'd be a unique console among other observed ships. While I'm sure it'd be capable of being configured to do so, I don't see it happening.
Likewise, while Timo's an advocate of it being a helm or other forward console, I just don't really see it happening, as it's a little too wierd for ships of that time. Personally, I see it simply as an auxilliary display console of the same type we see on the Defiant and other ships on either side of the screen - full of blinky lights and displays but no crewman at it. Heck, it might even be where those moving lights are under every OTHER viewsreen are...
And the new plan rocks on. My suggestions would be to put the turbolift that opens into the conference room into an alcove of some sort rather than have it open directly into the room, and to possibly allow for the portside lifts to cross from one to the other (allowing one to act as a backup for the other as seen on E-D et. al.).
The Excalibur bridge is a decent "kitbash" of existing bridge designs and ideas, though I think they didn't put too much thought into ergonomics. As it stands, the two command seats have a very poor view of the main screen, and as they're on the same level as the con/ops consoles they have an even WORSE view than Sisko did on the Defiant! They should have put the forward consoles on the lowest level rather than elevate them, and put the command seats on another step up. The only reason the forward consoles were on a step up in the first place was to facilitate camera shots and to run power cabling to the displays.
Also, the aft doors are not as tall as the ones in front, being shortened by the angled wall behind. The designer should have put an alcove of some sort in there to compensate - as it stands, some people will have to duck to enter from the aft quarters, and the turbolift door aft will not match up with the doors on the lift cars themselves!
Mark
Posted by Kazeite (Member # 970) on :
U.S.S. Excalibur bridge, take three
Yes, 13 is a ready room. The truth is, I have no idea about how big or small it should be - I scaled it against size of consoles and chairs as best as I could.
My guess is that it seems large because bridge itself is smaller
As you can see, I tried to incorporate most of the wishes. Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
It's cool, but now it really doesnt match the exterior at all! You should follow the curve of the briefing room and make the ready room match.
The rest of the circular bridge could be backup life-support, a ladder or starwell down, sensor equipment, Shelby's hairspray supply and batteries for emergency power.
...and another bathroom! Nobody wants have to wait to pee during a crisis situation! Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Well done!
Although many of the doors don't ahve enough room to retract into their walls.
Mark
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
Wasn't there a similarly impossible door in Voyager's sickbay too? Or was that just in some videogame?
Posted by MirrorCaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
that ended up happening in the TNG engineering set, when they finally decided that one of the useless doors to the left and right of the pool-table actually led to a jefferies tube junction, which radiated out in several directions, even though the bulkhead the door on the engineering side is cut off from surrounding areas by the side entry corridor and the power transfer conduits and warp core assembly.
it was a damn good use of stock sets though...
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
I didn't think there was anything wrong with the door to the Jeffries tubes seen on the right if you are looking at the warp core.
If I remember correctly... you had to go up at least 2 or three decks before you came to a junction... as seen in "Lessons" In that beautiful moment where Nella and Jean-Luc are playing music together and Data and Geordi listen.
The Door on the left - I don't think was see to contain a Jeffries tube... I do remember it being an entrance or something in the earlier seasons.
And yes there was an 'impossible' door in Voyager's sickbay... opposite the Doctor's office.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
The "impossible" tube was seen once in the TNG episode with those cute li'l exocomps. Data was playing with them, and they were maneuvering a HECK of a long way down the tube, apparently in a straight line.
The Jefferies tube set entrance itself replaced a turbolift door somewhere in the fifth or sixth seasons, IIRC. I remember both doors being used as turbolifts at some point before then.
Mark
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
Actually, the port door once led to a turbolift, which was then replaced with a Jeffries Tube junction. The starboard door was never used at all, but since the port door was once a lift, I assume they intended the starboard door for a lift as well. I don't think any set extension was made behind those doors and I don't think they were ever relabeled when the port lift became a Jeffries Tube junction. I'd like to think they would have kept the starboard door leading to a lift since it would still provided direct access to and from other decks on a normal basis.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
I'm sure that the starboard door has been seen as a lift, especially after the portside one was coverted to the tube set. People often just walk around the corner to enter the set, but I'm positive we've seen the other door as a lift.
Since we're in "New Frontier" bridge territory, I'm wondering if anyone has read the stories featuring the fanboy spoogefest Excalibur-A? All I've heard of her is that she would have been considered a "hot rod" version of a Galaxy-class ship. Have any details of the bridge ever been described in books?
Mark
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
No details except warp capablilty for the saucer (I think that's NF, anyway!).
Some hotrod: from all the illustrations I've seen, the ship doesnt even have the nacelle phaser pods (like the Venture does).
Unfortunately, "fanboy spoogefest" sums up the series.
Posted by MirrorCaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mark Nguyen: Have any details of the bridge ever been described in books?
i've not read the bulk of the series since then, but i always imagined the layout being like a cherry GCS, E-D bridge, although with the extra Generations stations, but styled as a Sovereign or other post TNG bridge.. maybe i should do up specs to test style schemes ....
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
The computer is now sentient. Specifically, Robin Lefler's immortal mother has been fused to the computer. Sorta like what Graves did only with an "Andromeda" twist.
Posted by MirrorCaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
and for those that haven't shit themselves yet, make note that Lefler's mother was Pike's first officer on the Enterprise, known mysteriously only as 'Number One'
Posted by MarianLH (Member # 1102) on :
Originally posted by MirrorCaptainMike:
quote: and for those that haven't shit themselves yet, make note that Lefler's mother was Pike's first officer on the Enterprise, known mysteriously only as 'Number One'
Maybe I should read one of these before the next time I reread Strangers From The Sky. You know, just for contrast.
Marian
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Spoogefest, indeed.
Mark
Posted by MirrorCaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
sovereignized for the 2370s.. this ain't your father's GCS.. Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
Sovy style Helm/Ops consoles would be a good adition aswell, they would match the shape of the consoles on the Generations section
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Agreed. Even though I don't really care for the Sovvie's forward consoles. Nice color scheme though.
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
quote:The aft console could be anything but is only mentioned in ths script as a transporter console.
One bit of that console is dedicated to the shield systems.
BTW: Did anyone else notice the model of the "B5: Crusade" Excalibur in the Excalibur's observation lounge?
Posted by Russell Christiansen (Member # 1333) on :
I like the bridge as is.
BTW, those Generations section consoles don't really look like the way they do in the picture. Often, Fact Files and Star Trek: The Magazine usually gets a few details wrong, and it is not totally accurate. Sean Robertson never uses them for reference due to this.
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
Do you mean the displays or the ops/conn stations? Tell me what exactly you find wrong in the Generations bridge drawing. I already know there should be handbars that flank all the doors, but what else?
Posted by Captain Serek (Member # 1038) on :
I was looking closley at the "Sovereignized" picture closely and all that was done was a differeent color scheme on the carpet and consoles, no actual rearrangement or addition or subraction of details. While I agree the Fact Files/Magazine is not 100% accurate, it is at least the best guide one has until someone else creates better, more accurate diagrams. At least all of the vidcaps can at least see parts of where a certain console or chair is, the diagrams give an overall view to give where things are in relation to one another. Just me batherling.
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