Well, ive never really created anything for this era, so, today I sat down and took a shot at it. Of course this isnt really original at all, but hey, i wanted to get the look and feel down. Let me know what you think!
Posted by aneurysm (Member # 906) on :
Why do something that has been done time and time again? Could you not have picked a better ship? Let's be honest, the NCC-1701-A is shit.
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
...!
I can't believe you said that...
Posted by Wes (Member # 212) on :
Wow. I actually love the Enterprise-A -- seeing it on TV or DVD brings back fond memories.
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
While I think it's a good design, it could do with some improvements. Some are a thicker neck, better phaser coverage, and aft torpedo coverage
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by aneurysm: Why do something that has been done time and time again? Could you not have picked a better ship? Let's be honest, the NCC-1701-A is shit.
Bah! The NCC-1701-A/refit has been the best ship in Trek - beautiful, elegant, functional, sleek, brilliant!
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dat: While I think it's a good design, it could do with some improvements. Some are a thicker neck, better phaser coverage, and aft torpedo coverage
I agree: Improvment #1 needs to be the thickening of those scrawny nacelle pylon connections to the secondary hull!! If that "near miss" torpedo would've struck the pylon in STII, the entire nacelle probably would've been blown off!
Man, I hate that part of the design!
It would be nice to have an aft torpedo as well: the ship's rear is pretty light on armament.
And thicken up the neck!
Posted by MarianLH (Member # 1102) on :
Heretics. Apostates. You probably litter candy wrappers too. Leave her alone. She's beautiful and perfect as she is.
She is and always will be the best Star Trek ship ever designed. As the VFX people admitted when they ripped it off to design the Sovereign class.
Wes, you did get a few details wrong. Off the top of my head:
Navigaton dome is the TOS version; the movie version is different.
The equipment detail on the undercut is wrong.
I could be wrong, but eyeballs-only the proportions of the botanical section windows are off
Marian
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
quote:Originally posted by aneurysm: Why do something that has been done time and time again? Could you not have picked a better ship? Let's be honest, the NCC-1701-A is shit.
Blasphemy!
Posted by MarianLH (Member # 1102) on :
Originally posted by Jason Abbadon:
quote: Improvment #1 needs to be the thickening of those scrawny nacelle pylon connections to the secondary hull!! If that "near miss" torpedo would've struck the pylon in STII, the entire nacelle probably would've been blown off!
Yeah, cus the wider pylon helped Reliant hold on to her nacelle when it was hit by a torpedo...
...NOT!
Marian
PS: The original Enterprise did just fine without an aft torpedo. She's an explorer, not a warship.
Posted by StarCruiser (Member # 979) on :
quote:Originally posted by Reverend:
quote:Originally posted by aneurysm: Why do something that has been done time and time again? Could you not have picked a better ship? Let's be honest, the NCC-1701-A is shit.
Blasphemy!
BURN THE Blasphemer!!! NO ONE expects the Spanish Inquisition!
Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
Explorers should ideally be as heavily armed as their spaceframes will tolerate, though.
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
quote:Originally posted by MarianLH: Originally posted by Jason Abbadon:
quote: Improvment #1 needs to be the thickening of those scrawny nacelle pylon connections to the secondary hull!! If that "near miss" torpedo would've struck the pylon in STII, the entire nacelle probably would've been blown off!
Yeah, cus the wider pylon helped Reliant hold on to her nacelle when it was hit by a torpedo...
...NOT!
Marian
PS: The original Enterprise did just fine without an aft torpedo. She's an explorer, not a warship.
Well, he meant a thicker pylon. And the E-D was also an explorer, and she had families and better weapons coverage, including an aft launcher.
Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
whats thatr sticking out of the aft cutout?
Posted by Nim the Fanciful (Member # 205) on :
A very nice drawing, Wes, I especially like the shadow work.
If you're going to do another sideview, my pick would be the Ambassador Refit. I've studied the sideviews of all starfleet ships and come to the conclusion that it is the nicest. Especially the little bulge under the aft shuttle bay. Almost sensual in its curve, like a soft hip.
After looking at it for a while and then switching over to a Constitution sideview, the Connie looks like a turd with "shrunken-saucer" complex in comparison.
Posted by Treknophyle (Member # 509) on :
Pay no attention to the unbelievers! The 1701-A shall always be the fairest of maindens.
I fell in love with her at a premiere of ST:TMP on the big screen - during the drydock tour.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
That is something wrong (in a good way) Wes is right that is sex...
Any idea on cost? Oh and how big is it actually from stem-to-stern? In our crazy european numbers if you know.
Posted by SoundEffect (Member # 926) on :
Polar Lights'
USS Enterprise NCC-1701-A Constitution Class (Refit)
Scale: 1/350
Length: 87.2cm (34.3") Width: 40.3cm (15.9") Height: 20.4cm (8.0")
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
I've heard pre-orders are about about $40.
Posted by Manticore (Member # 1227) on :
Where can I but it!?
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by Manticore: I...want...that...thing... Give...it...to...me...now...
Where can I but it!?
Best Typo Ever.
Posted by Manticore (Member # 1227) on :
Buy it you dirty-minded little...frazhmsmas
Posted by Fleet-Admiral Michael T. Colorge (Member # 144) on :
I like the Constitution Class refit myself... and I grew up watching TNG. I could make the thread worse by saying that the Prometheus Class is the best ship designed since it can blow things up really nice... but I won't.
I like the Ambassador Class refit also... too bad we hardly saw her.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
I love the amby refit: except for that Excelsior shuttlebay they slapped on the secondary hull's ubdercut. I always leave that part off when making a Amby Refit- it just looks better. For you: My Bueatiful bueatiful butterfly.... http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?p=999&gid=1227830&uid=657989 Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
OK sorry - is that E-refit going to be widely available? Is this this Polar Lights model - or is it a Thomas Models kit?
I looks great... but what is the point of the room detail when the windows seem to be non-transparent.
Is there anyway to make the roof of the arboretum 'glow' i.e. bluish? Same with the little warp turbolifts?
How would you get the pearlescent effect on that ship instead of just a flat grey?
Looks nice
Andrew
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
That's the master that Thomas is making for Polar Lights: he already mastered their 1000th scale TOS Enterprise and the amazing 350th scale NX-01. The NX and Connie Refit are in scale with each other. Either the kit comes with lights or is intended to be lit from within. As to the "pearlescent" aztec pattern, there's many variations but white with a drop of silver seems to be the best looking.
All those models are widely available in hobby stores, omline nad (in the case of the TOS E) at Target and Walmart.
Posted by MarianLH (Member # 1102) on :
Originally posted by Treknophyle:
quote: Pay no attention to the unbelievers! The 1701-A shall always be the fairest of maindens.
I fell in love with her at a premiere of ST:TMP on the big screen - during the drydock tour.
Um...the ship in TMP wasn't the 1701-A. You meant the refit Constitution, right?
As for finishing the model, a clear satin coat, or even gloss, should help with getting the plearly gleam effect. I've got that old FSM article on correcting the AMT Enterprise, which included the aztec masks and painting tips. I'll dig it up and say what it says.
Marian
Posted by Marauth (Member # 1320) on :
Constitution Refit? Oh you mean the Enterprise class, right I see...
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
I saw the NX-01 at a hobby store the other day. It's friggin' enormous. And it was going for $50. I waited for another day, but I oh so want it.
I'll have to take a trip to Walmart today and see if I can find the TOS kit.
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
Here we go with another one and the whole Enterprise class mess.
Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
Enterprise Class or not, its a refit of the Constitution so Constitution Refit is a valid designation weather or not the class is called that Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
I thought the scratchbuilt Ent A was the ship that is supposedly Enterprise Class, not the refit Connie.
Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
Ironicly, the movies seem to present it the other way around
Posted by Marauth (Member # 1320) on :
Not to mention the argument over wether the Ent-A was scratchbuilt or not, which I doubt it was as they wouldn't decomission a 7 year old ship even if the crew were retiring...
The Refit Enterprise is supposedly Enterprise class as this can be seen on a turbolift or some other piece of scenery in TWOK (? - correct me if I'm wrong not sure on the film) while in STVI (?) Scotty can be seen reading a set of blueprints of the Ent-A that refer to it as a Constitution-Refit. This change probably has something to do with Okuda as he seems to have made it 'official' that it's the Constitution-Refit. Either name is fine with me though.
Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
Perhaps Enterprise Class refers to the version of the Refit that the Enterprise 1701 was, as the 1701-A seems to be almost compleatly different inside, while Constitution Refit simlpy refurs to any ship with that exterior
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Or, instead of discussing this, we could hit ourselves in the face with hammers!
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
The simulator in TWOK had a plaque indicating it as an Enterprise-class simulator.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Liam: Agreed. I choose sledge.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
quote:Originally posted by Topher: The simulator in TWOK had a plaque indicating it as an Enterprise-class simulator.
Or it indicated that the room was for the use of the class assigned to the Enterprise, and I can't believe I'm doing this again.
*Hits self in face with hammer*
Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
Seeing as nearly all the bridges at that point were near identical
Posted by MarianLH (Member # 1102) on :
Originally posted by PsyLiam:
quote: *Hits self in face with hammer*
I grovel and beg your forgiveness. I didn't mean to open this can of worms.
Marian
Posted by Marauth (Member # 1320) on :
It's too late it's already wide open. LOL I take it you guys have discussed this to death as much as I have on other ST boards.
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
By now all Trek boards have discussed nearly everything in Trek to death.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
True. But this topic never results in a discussion. It results in one person saying why they think it's Enterprise-class, another saying why they think it's Constitution-class, and neither side budging. Everyone knows all the facts. Everyone has made up their mind. It's pointless.
If someone wants to summerise all the points for and against though, be my guest.
Posted by Ace (Member # 389) on :
Hmmm, sounds like the description of many other divisive issues outside of the Trek universe...
Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
Sounds like most internet disagreements in general
Posted by MrNeutron (Member # 524) on :
Back to the 1701 refit model kit, I pointed Andy Probert to the pix linked here and he's going to get in touch with Polar Lights and see if he can help them with any details on the kit. He seemed pretty impressed with what he saw.
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