Yeah, Part I isn't over yet, but I figured if I waited until it was over, discussion of the mini-series would be scattered over half a dozen threads.
Part I will be re-run several times this evening. Part II will be shown tomorrow evening and also rerun several times afterwards.
Posted by Krenim (Member # 22) on :
Oh boy. Where to begin...
How cool was that opening scene with the four Command Carriers rising out of the planet's rings? Seriously.
CGI Rygel was pretty impressive. It had been established some time ago that Hynerians were aquatic, and it shows here. It was still shocking that he could move that fast, though.
And Rygel is now pregnant with John and Aeryn's baby. And his evil cousin wants him back to unite the Hynerians against the Scarrans.
Jool's back! Well, she was back until she got nuked by the Scarrans.
Jothee's back! And he's got a contingent of Luxans under his command to boot.
Lolan gets destroyed by the Scarrans.
Chiana can see again, and she has X-ray vision?
I know I've seen that Supreme Chancellor guy before. Was he one of the Flax guys from "Liars, Guns, and Money?"
And who's baby is Grayza pregnant with?
Massive MASSIVE revelations about the origins of the Peacekeepers. Ten bucks says the planet the pre-Sebaceans came from was Earth.
Einstein! (In more ways than one. Gotta love Harvey!)
Uh, that's all I can think of at the moment. Can't wait for Part II!
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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"And Rygel is now pregnant with John and Aeryn's baby."
"And who's baby is Grayza pregnant with?"
Geez... Is this a miniseries, or a bloody soap opera?
So, it ended... what, about fifteen minutes ago? Hopefully there will be a BitTorrent floating around within an hour or two. Too bad they no doubt make references to all sorts of details from the series that I've forgotten about. And, by "details", I mean "major plot points".
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
I got a a new kickass TSO CD Friday. I got new Farscape today, get more tomorrow. There is girl potential.
This has been a good weekend.
Posted by machf (Member # 1233) on :
quote: So, it ended... what, about fifteen minutes ago? Hopefully there will be a BitTorrent floating around within an hour or two.
Hopefully. I've been too long without my regular dose of Farscape already, and I have no idea whether HBO intends to show he miniseries around here later...
Posted by Krenim (Member # 22) on :
You know, I fully intended to write up all the plot points and whatnot for Part II like I did for Part I.
However, the only thing that my brain is capable of thinking at this point in time is the following:
YOU KILLED D'ARGO!!!! YOU FRELLING BASTARDS!!!! Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
Beautiful.
Just. Frelling. Beautiful.
I love the end of Harvey. The 2001 shot was perfect. At the end I kept expecting John to hold the kid up and say "Behold the only thing greater than yourself." Staleek ripping out Scorpy's cooling system in part 1 was... shocking. Did anyone else think Pilot sounded different?
Loose ends. What happened to Scorpius? His reaction to the treaty signing was... unreadable. And who was the father of Grayza's baby? It could easily be Crichton, it was implied it wasn't, but implications aren't everything. Noranti was never seen after jumping into the docking web, but I'll assume she survived. (Unless she was in the signing scene...) It was interesting actually seeing the web for once. Sikozu being the traitor was unexpected, and I'm not sure how it fits, but I'll bet it does. I note that the fates of Grunschlick, Sikozu, and D'argo aren't COMPLETELY certain. We have no bodies. I do wonder why the Scarrans didn't just nuke the site from orbit. (Only way to be sure.) I'll assume they destroyed the blueprints and prototype of the wormhole weapon, John's book, etc. Did Chiana actually go to Hyneria? Did Rygel's invitation stand after the Scarran invasion ended? And WHY, praytell, did Einstein actually give John the info to build the weapon? Was there unspoken communication about his intentions? And what do the characters intend to do now that presumably nobody's trying to capture them?
Posted by Charles Capps (Member # 9) on :
Yes, Pilot did sound different...
Wasn't Noranti with the refugee ... er... have no clue how to spell it ... Eidolons?
I am overall pleased... It's a good ending to the series, while still leaving plenty of things open for further miniseries...es... man, I'm off tonight.
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :
Who... or what is Einstein anyway? A wormhole alien? I'll assume Crichton gave him...it that name.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Yeah: the "Einstein" alien is the same creepy actor from the Phantasm movies! Mabye the actor that played the wormhole alien/his dad was shooting an Airwolf movie or something and could'nt make the scene...
Creepy wormhole guy though. John going into the wormhole and demanding and audience with the Wormhole Aliens kinda reminds me of some other show though...I'll thik of it eventually.
The only big flaw I found was that they tried to cram EVERY character from the past few seasons into this! Small universe, I guess (shrugs).
I loved the design on the Decimator but ciuld have done without the "Alien Queen" head-dress on the female Skarran.
Why were the Skarrans so small and non-telekinetic in this? All the other Skarrans we've seen were far more formidible (requiring mltiple shots from a pulse pistol to even knock down!).
Great 2001 death scene for Harvey! I laughed nad felt bad at the same time!
A better ending for the series than I would've expected: I doubt Criton's life will be any easier now though: he'll be a living legend nad at least some people will assume he can still make wormholes...
Plus, what happens to Scorpy? (man, his re-haired giirlfriend was lookin' fiiiiine in this!)
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
Mabye the actor that played the wormhole alien/his dad was shooting an Airwolf movie or something and could'nt make the scene...
Or maybe that alien got shot in the head half way through the third season.
I loved the design on the Decimator
So did I when I saw it in the Wing Commander and Freespace games. Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Or maybe that alien got shot in the head half way through the third season.
Heeeeeeyy! I recall something about that (vaguely). He got shot, huh? The actor or the character? I sometimes lose track of the diffrences... What happened there? Mabye he's flying Airwolf in the afterlife, with unlimited missiles and ammo.
I liked him. Who shot him? Scorpious?
Got a link to the Decimator from the video games? I was thinking of building one.
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
Furlough shot Jack in "...Infinite Possiblities, pt. 2: Icarus Abides". It was the one where the other John died. I think she thought he was gonna kill her, or at least prevent her from selling wormhole tech. (He probably would have killed her, to be fair.) And it's not an exact copy of the ships I've seen, but the multiple points on the front of the Decimator were very reminiscent of the Shivan Juggernaughts and various Kilrathi capital ships.
Posted by Krenim (Member # 22) on :
quote:Originally posted by Omega: I love the end of Harvey. The 2001 shot was perfect.
Yeah, although I wonder if Harvey's really gone. After all, Scorpius tricked John into thinking Harvey was gone once. And who really thinks Scorpy included a self-destruct on the slim chance John lost the wormhole knowledge?
quote:Loose ends. What happened to Scorpius? His reaction to the treaty signing was... unreadable.
Unknown. I guess it all comes down to whether or not Scorpy's need for vengance against the Scarrans was satisfied. This is really where I was expecting a "The Princess Bride" reference, with John telling Scorpy he'd make a wonderful Dread Pirate Roberts.
quote:And who was the father of Grayza's baby? It could easily be Crichton, it was implied it wasn't, but implications aren't everything.
The way I see it, the baby is either John's, Braca's, or the Supreme Chancellor's.
quote:Did Chiana actually go to Hyneria? Did Rygel's invitation stand after the Scarran invasion ended?
I don't know if Chiana wound up going or not. With the war over, I doubt Rygel's cousin (whatever his name was) would give up power now. However, I wonder if there was a provision about that in the treaty. After all, if I remember correctly, it was the PKs that were the real power behind the coup against Rygel. A neutral Hyneria with Rygel on the throne as part of the treaty doesn't seem like too big a stretch.
quote:And WHY, praytell, did Einstein actually give John the info to build the weapon? Was there unspoken communication about his intentions?
Probably to just show everyone that the weapons were too dangerous to pursue. I doubt anyone's dumb enough to make something that horrific again.
quote:And what do the characters intend to do now that presumably nobody's trying to capture them?
Well, there's presumably still those Pathfinder yahoos out to get them. And aren't the Nebari still out to conquer everyone with some kind of plague?
Posted by Antagonist (Member # 484) on :
My god. I honestly don't know what to think. I have waited for many months to see this, and despite the fact that the first episode seemed to hurry through the set-up, the second episode was fantastic.
Utterly fantastic. I cannot say that this left me hanging as much as the finale of Season 4 did.
I only have a few concerns: D'Argo is dead? Bullshite. You and I both know that his was a death that was much too cheap to be for real.
I had a small complaint about his "goodbye" scene. These are characters that have been closer than family for 4 long years. They have been in worse situations. They would not allow D'Argo to die so easily, poison blood or no.
Theory: Since noth Sikozu and Grumchlik were left behind, it is not out of the question to assume that they could have escaped before the wormhole destroyed the planet. There were several Strykers still on the ground.
Additionally, Crighton has been reconstituted at least twice. Cloned at least thrice. Obviously people never die permanently on this show. Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
(Which, I think, shared more motifs with the Nephilim Tiamat-class Dreadnought than with any Kilrathi design, but OK.)
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Only two real complaints... 1: Pilot's voice. The download I got had no ending credits (even though it had half the commercials, still), but the IMDb says that that was, in fact, Lani Tupu. So I can only assume they changed the distortion they add in post-production. Weird.
2: Sikozu's punk look was the worst thing ever.
By the way, is it just me, or does the new Doctor Who logo look conspicuously Farscapey?
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
Okay, I most definitely loved the miniseries, but I've got a few issues.
1) I'm not convinced that Sikozu was actually the spy... the intelligence she demonstrated throughout the fourth season suggests to me that she would never be so stupid as to believe that the Scarrans would actually free the Kalish in exchange for her spying on Crichton. Plus, she helped destroy the chrystherium matriarch plant in the "We're So Screwed" three-parter last season... it makes no sense for her to actually be a spy. I think that Scorpy actually sent her off to do something really nasty to Grunshlik. Damn, that bastard really gets on my nerves. I'm praying that Farscape gets renewed, just so we can see him get what he deserves.
2) What was the point of Grayza's pregnancy in this miniseries? Was the actress pregnant and they just decided to not try to hide it, or was there some other meaning? I'm desperately praying that the kid's not John's, because that would be just so wrong.
3) Wasn't it conveeeeeenient that, when it really counted, it only took one shot to kill Ahkna? I thought that Scarrans were supposed to be a lot tougher than that?
4) Okay, I have no problem with D'Argo surviving in deep space for a while, but what about Chiana? How come she was able to survive too? That was just a bit too convenient for my tastes...
Other points... Despite the above complaints, I really loved the miniseries. Apart from them killing D'Argo, of course. Bastards!
I can see that, despite them ending most of the major plot points of the series, there's plenty of fodder for them to bring back the show and keep on going. For instance, how is Scorpy going to react to gaining peace with the Scarrans? His lifelong dream was to see them wiped out, not just to prevent them from taking over the Peacekeeper territories. Also, what about Bishaan's offer to welcome Rygel home? Somehow I doubt that offer would still stand once peace returned. Then, of course, there's the whole Scorpy-Sikozu-Grunshlik issue...
But most importantly, despite the big deal they made of ending the war, returning peace, and making it possible for the Eidolons to start doing their work once again, this isn't really a resolution at all -- it's more of a return to the cold war situation, with peace enforced by the threat of Mutual Assured Destruction. (Yep, the wormhole weapon was really just a giant metaphor for nuclear weapons, wasn't it?) So I have a feeling that there's really going to be a lot of big unknowns left hanging that can cause trouble for Our Heroes later on down the road.
According to the Sci-Fi Wire, the miniseries got pretty high ratings overall, which lends hope to the possibility of either another miniseries or an actual renewal of the series for a fifth season. We can only wait and see...
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by MinutiaeMan: 3) Wasn't it conveeeeeenient that, when it really counted, it only took one shot to kill Ahkna? I thought that Scarrans were supposed to be a lot tougher than that?
yeah: the Scarrans pussy-ness was my biggest gripe. That and their soldiers all looked like Dark Helmet: John missed an easy joke there.
Why no TK (or whatever it is) powers on these Skarrans when all prior appearances made it to be a natural ability? They never needed weapons before: just point and....wavy energy!
Really, I think it was budgetary constraints: despite the bueatiful CGI battles, I got a low-budget vibe from most of the physical battle scenes in the second part. Scorpy seemed to have no fear of getting shot at all: he just stands around kiling whoever came through the temple doors.
Questions: did Sikozu die? What exactly was Scorpious' "final mission" for her? Did Scorpious' #2 man (cant recall the Peacekeeper's name!) make it back to Moya with everyone else? I think so but am not certain...
Cartman: thanks for the linky but I dont think that looks much like the Decimator. Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Braca made it back, yes. Remember, he got shot in the leg, so he had to be held up while they were waiting to jump into the net.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: Why no TK (or whatever it is) powers on these Skarrans when all prior appearances made it to be a natural ability? They never needed weapons before: just point and....wavy energy!
Except that they DID show the Scarrans doing that wavy heat-blast trick, at least twice in the first part of the miniseries. Staleek blasted both Aeryn and John at various points.
quote:Questions: did Sikozu die? What exactly was Scorpious' "final mission" for her?
Well, it is eminently possible that Sikozu and Grunshlik managed to get off the planet before it was ripped apart by John's wormhole, so you never know. Considering how many times Scorpy managed to fake out everyone with his apparent deaths, I wouldn't believe that Sikozu was dead until I actually saw a body.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by MinutiaeMan:
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: Why no TK (or whatever it is) powers on these Skarrans when all prior appearances made it to be a natural ability? They never needed weapons before: just point and....wavy energy!
Except that they DID show the Scarrans doing that wavy heat-blast trick, at least twice in the first part of the miniseries. Staleek blasted both Aeryn and John at various points.
Huh. Thanks for clearing that up. Mabye the Skarrans we'd seen before were super-advanced troops or something (accounting for their larger size and toughness)? I missed almost all of part one yet managed to catch part two twice: I'm always working when then show both.
Posted by Antagonist (Member # 484) on :
quote:Originally posted by MinutiaeMan: 4) Okay, I have no problem with D'Argo surviving in deep space for a while, but what about Chiana? How come she was able to survive too? That was just a bit too convenient for my tastes...
Remember also that Crichton survived briefly in void. In fact, so too did Rygel. I think that it probably a combination of artistic liberty and based on the fact that nobody truly knows how badly spacey-void like exposure can damage you. Everything tells us that you could be damaged so badly from just a few seconds exposure as to make you into lil 'tarded timmy for the rest of your life, though.
It is my hope that Fox picks up Farscape after next year, which is after Henson's contract with SciFi runs out. I say this because it has been apparent to me for some time that Fox has been seeking to revive Firely after 'Serentiy' is released. This said, Fox would be foolish to not pick up Farscape, especially considering it comes with a pretty decently sized built-in fanbase.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Um....God no.
FOx has managed to fuck up any good show they've been kucky enough to get: Firefly got canned for some more "lowest common denominator" programming and (i've heard) because the producers refused Fox's attempts to make it more "ratings friendly".
I'd ratther farscape end on this high note with loose ends than have Fox "reimagine" it somehow to introduce new viewers to the charcters.
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
I liked it. A lot of loose ends got cleaned up, leaving some other loose ends in the process, but, meh.
Sikozu seemed totally off in this. Maybe the new look changed my perceptions of the character, but she acted completely differently. As for the chance of her being a Scarran agent, maybe it was the fact that she did destroy the plant that made her turn - if the Scarrans threatened to make her entire people suffer for her actions, that might be enough. But no-one else saw the confrontation between her and Scorpius, so it wasn't a show for anyone's benefit - didn't Scorpius then have to say that he'd identified her as the spy?
Pilot's voice seemed OK to me. It was definitely Lani Tupu.
How hard would it have been to just put Chiana in a space suit for heaven's sake? They obviously still have at least one left in wardrobe (LOVED the 2001 scene - looked to me they just took stills from that and composited in the Farscape actors); as it was, you could see the character's hair rustling in some breeze - in a vacuum? Badly done, that.
So what next? Farscape: The Hynerian Wars? Ben Browder is up to do more - but then who wouldn't if his career highlight since the series ended was as a pathetic wannabe fireman in CSI: Miami? Claudia Black has said she doesn't want to do another series, but I'm sure she wouldn't object to a miniseries once every coupla years.
Structure-wise, a bit too much flipping back and forth. One minute they're going to use the Eidolons, the next it'll have to be the wormhole weapons, then back to the Eidolons. . . The bit with the raiders and the harpoons was obviously filler. All it established was that Scorpy was PNG with the PKs, and he could have got that across in one sentence of exposition - "They'll have cancelled my clearance codes."
But, yeah, I liked it. Always did like Farscape, it ties in to a lot of memories from the past few years, and I even found something in it that speaks to where I am in my life at this moment. 8)
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
New Zealand?
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
Metaphorically speaking.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
New Zealand is a state of mind, Lee.
Posted by Antagonist (Member # 484) on :
Okay so Fox wasn't a good on-the-spot choice. At least it'd be better than, say, UPN, which currently thinks that black comedies and Suck Trek: Enterprise is their cash cow. The said thing is that it is, though.
I suppose SciFi isn't an option either since they prefer making worse-than-B-grade movies(Anonymous Rex for example. Lexx was infinitley better than most of the crap they're producing nowadays).
It just feels all wrong though.
After watching it I was content and happy, but after a while things just began feeling.... inappropriate. I get the sense that there were many more stories that should have been conveyed before we saw the "Peacekeeper Wars."
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"Lexx was infinitley better than most of the crap they're producing nowadays..."
Wow. That is bad.
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :
"most of the crap..."
Aside some SG1 and SGA does Sci-Fi have anything else worth watching?
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
That almost sounds like a rhetorical question. Posted by B.J. (Member # 858) on :
I *finally* was able to watch it last night. Not much to add, except that I don't think they could easily continue a series from this point. As it is, I think it's a good finale, much better than the unexplained cliffhanger we had.
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