• So it's Noah Bennett, man wid da plan.
• Was Peter close enough to absorb DJ, Molly, & Michael's powers as well?
• There is STILL a possibility that Nathan survived if Peter pushed him away and continued on his own.
• OR, being all Nuclear, perhaps Petey's regeneration will somehow create a gestalt of Nate & Petey.
• Mama Patrelli is starting to REALLY look like the villain in this. I wonder if she is the one who looks back at Molly.
• The Haitian was conspicuously absent.
• Bennett is starting to channel George Pepard from A-team it seems.
• Loved the touch of the Cockroach at the sewer lid again. Pretty much sums up Sylar
• Sylar obviously has the ability to "Hide in plain sight" as Peter calls it. He went from nowhere in sight to 5 feet away.
• Isaak's paintings are now shown to be fallible. No explosion, Nate is apparently dead so no Presidency. So Sylar's art should be equally fallible.
• There is a vacancy in Congress now. So who steps into Nate's seat? His wife? Mommy? It will be interesting to see who scrambles to fill the void in Angela's plans.

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I don't think the writers know who the One Who Looks Back is yet. Doesn't seem right for it to be Angela, though she's a likely bet. All of the Linderman Group seem to believe they are righteous. Doesn't seem to fit with someone who would scare Molly that badly.

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I was going to ask if there was an eclipse at the beginning of the season. I seemed to remember one, but it feels like it's been so long ago that the season started... My guess would be that the eclipse heralds the beginning of a climactic generational event involving the heros of that era.

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There was an eclipse at the end of the 1st episode.
 

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Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
 
Cracking episode and it they didn't answer every single one of our questions, so we really will be seeing our Heroes again. The producers had been making it sound as though the next season would mostly involve new characters.

There's every chance that Nathan flew off before Peter exploded, so I doubt he's dead.

I like the "one who looks back" thing. It's obviously Sauron. Great way to set up the next season and create a bad guy who could be even scarier than Sylar.

I was expecting one of the samurai's at the end to be Hiro's dad for some reason, but I don't know what the explanation for that would have been.

I just can't wait for the next season now, only 4 months to go!
 

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Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
 
You know, Nathan could have just brought Peter high enough to let him drop. Then Pete could have exploded while falling and Nate could have picked him up again. But then again the explosion had a wide radius, could Nathan have been fast enough to escape?
 

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Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
 
Well, it's possible that Nathan dropped Peter and flew off, but he wouldn't have even needed to catch him. Nathan seemed to think that he would die but that he would be saving Peter. Exploding won't hurt Peter just like it didn't hurt Ted we he emitted radiation. The fall, even from suborbital heights, is presumably something Peter could survive as well. So I think we can safely assume that Peter is alive and will show up at some point next season.
 

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 
I have a number of problems with the last scenes of the season. (That's not counting the Hiro-in-ancient-Japan bit at the end.)

First, why couldn't Peter control the radiation power? I mean, I understood it was hard to get a handle on when he first started absorbing it. But, once he got control over it, why did it keep flaring up, and why did it do so critically at the end there? I realize the real answer is "the plot called for it", but it would have been nice if they had given some explanation.

And how was the gun supposed to stop him? That was a huge gun at close range. Wouldn't the bullet go straight through, and he would heal? So far, the only way Claire and Peter have been able to die is if something goes into their brains and stays there.

As for Sylar, how was he able to react quickly enough to stop Parkman's bullets as soon as he heard them fire, but he couldn't stop a guy running with a sword, even though he had time to turn and face him before he started running? I guess Hiro might have stopped time really briefly, but it didn't look like it.

And finally, why did Nathan have to fly Peter out of the city? Peter flies, too.
 

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Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
 
It's possible Peter can only use one power at a time. Thus, whilst blowing up he couldn't jet himself out of the city.

The thing about this ending is that I was expecting something closer to what Peter saw in his vision - a deserted daylit street filled with abandonned cars, other people there including Isaac, his girlfriend, ando and later Claude, Claire being in her cheerleader outfit, and Peter blowing up in pretty short order. What happened to all that? Was that more like Mama Petrelli's vision rather than Peter's or anyone else's?

Mark
 

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Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
 
I don't really know why Peter couldn't control the power(after all, he'd had it for a long while), but the idea behind shooting him wasn't to kill him permanently, it was only to put him out of action long enough for the power to subside, just as it did back when Claude punched him in the face and knocked him out.

As for Peter not flying, I think it's just that he has so much trouble keeping the radioactivity under control that he can't concentrate on using anything else. The rest of the time he can use more than one, though.
 

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Posted by WizArtist II (Member # 1425) on :
 

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As for Sylar, how was he able to react quickly enough to stop Parkman's bullets as soon as he heard them fire, but he couldn't stop a guy running with a sword, even though he had time to turn and face him before he started running? I guess Hiro might have stopped time really briefly, but it didn't look like it.

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"...but the idea behind shooting him wasn't to kill him permanently, it was only to put him out of action long enough for the power to subside, just as it did back when Claude punched him in the face and knocked him out."

I don't think so. When he first gave Claire the gun and told her what to do, he specifically talked about needing to be shot in the head. "You know the spot," (or something similar) he said to her. If he just needed to be knocked out, shooting him the brain was a pretty extreme way of doing it.

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The Kensei at the end.. that was George 'the Dragon' Takei, right? So he is immortal! And quite likely the first hero. His symbol (what did that mean again?) has been used as a tattoo to mark people with powers, right?

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The Kensei at the end.. that was George 'the Dragon' Takei, right? So he is immortal! And quite likely the first hero. His symbol (what did that mean again?) has been used as a tattoo to mark people with powers, right?

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Nikki has it tatooed on her shoulder (which Candice didn't when she was imitating her... a nice touch).

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Oh, And I suppose it's possible that Hiro's Dad also has tempral abilities since he's in the same family as Hiro. Though none of the other powers seem to be passed down through family lineage. His dad did say that he'd been waiting for "another" Nakamura to ascend, which to me said that he himself had done so.

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True, none of the 2nd & 3rd generation Heroes seam to inherit their parents abilities. However I suppose it's statistically possible, even if it is random.
Either that or Nakamura/Kensai link is more profoundly tied to the powers than we realise.
I mean, I know it's an ensemble show, but Hiro is the star right? The whole plot of the first season rotates around him, he seams to be in every episode, has met most if not all of the others (before the finale) and I doubt his name is a coincidence.
 

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Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
 
How sure are we that he's Hiro's father? And not, say, Hiro himself, ala "The Man Who Folded Himself"?
 

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Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
 
Mmmm... I doubt it's Hiro himself. He said he "never thought it would be (Hiro)" that ascended. If it's far-future Hiro, he would've known. I do believe he's Kensai, though, one way or another.

I was thinking about who the star of the show is the other day too. The story seems to revolve around Hiro and Peter mostly. Though I would also say Claire is a major player. The story started out with her and Hiro and Peter and her relationship with Bennett has been a big focus.
 

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
OK, I just finished watching it - and I haven't read any posts yet.

Just wanted to say WOW! FANTASTIC! This is the best show that has been on TV in YEARS!

I also wanted to say - I always thought that that could have been Hiro in the paintings of Kensai! Why there? Why then?

What was the blood in Isaac's loft? Isaac's blood?

How did Sylar survive? What did he see in his eyes before he 'died'. His eyes went white like when Claire and Peter 'died'.

Did Peter die? I would assume that Nathan did. What is the mother's power - she said it was her 'big mouth' in an earlier episode - does she have the power to influence people?

I told ya Charles Devreaux had a 'power'.

Where is Claude - and what is it about that balcony/patio?

And of course who is the next big bad?

What characters are left now or rather who was introduced and then died over the course of the season?

Loved the "end of chapter one" part. Brilliant.
 

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Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
 
Sylar's eyes went white like they do when he's seeing/painting the future. Right at the end, he saw himself laying there on the street. His future happened just as he saw it. It would be interesting to freeze frame all the other flashes in his eyes right before that though... I might just have to do that.

I don't think Sylar survived. Though they made of point of his blood draining into the manhole and then focusing on it and the cockroach crawling out... so who knows... maybe he did survive in some fashion.
 

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Posted by HopefulNebula (Member # 1933) on :
 
Somebody on HeroesWiki did: he's seeing all his victims.

And I've heard they want Sylar back in the next season, so I'm betting he's still alive. He's died before, remember? In the cell.
 

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Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
 
OK... I totally missed something here (blame the bad quality of my VCR tape I guess). At the end, right before the cockroach crawls out, the camera pans along the blood smear running towards the manhole. I thought the initial pool of blood was his body and I didn't catch that that manhole cover was slid open when it switched to the low angle shot for "End of Volume One". But I rewatched it at lunch to do the freeze frame thing and see now that his body's not there and that the manhole cover is indeed open. That totally changes my opinion. He's definitely alive.

However, I have another little problem with the last scene. This is taking place in uptown or midtown Manhattan, seemingly. Now, I don't care how late it is, *someone* would've walked or driven by during all this. And how is it that police aren't there arresting everyone? Two people got shot (though DL and Nikki probably skedaddled), there's a giant pool of blood on the ground, and there was just a nuclear explosion in the night sky.
 

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 
Hiro's father probably isn't Kensei for the same reason that he isn't Hiro himself. Now that Hiro is in the past, on the battlefield right there with Kensei, we can guess he will meet Kensei and tell him about himself. So, if Kensei were Hiro's father, he would know, in the future, that Hiro would have powers.

Of course, we'll have to wait until next year to see how things play out between Hiro and Kensei.
 

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Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :
 
Re: Deveaux's powers, I had the same thought when I saw it - Deveaux has the same dream projection ability as Sanjog Iyer. Although apparently it works in a slightly different way in that he can project through time as well.
 

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Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
 
I gotta point out something that's bugging me - It's spelled kensei, not kensai, and its not a name but a title. So "the kensei" not "Kensei."
 

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
Sanjog Iyer

Was that the little Indian boy who 'spoke' to Mohindar?

I think Devreaux's powers are going to be quite special - I don't know if we can work it out yet from what we've seen.

Noah Bennet... fitting - I am seeing him as a person who is 'collecting'/'saving' "specials" two by two! Look at him in the future - doing the same sort of thing.

Anyone else think that Papa Suresh is not really dead??

Where is Claude??

Was he there when Devreaux was talking to Peter Patrelli?

DL and Nikkisica were 'paired' by Linderman - I wonder how many others were - Parkman and his Wife??
 

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Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
 

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However, I have another little problem with the last scene. This is taking place in uptown or midtown Manhattan, seemingly. Now, I don't care how late it is, *someone* would've walked or driven by during all this. And how is it that police aren't there arresting everyone? Two people got shot (though DL and Nikki probably skedaddled), there's a giant pool of blood on the ground, and there was just a nuclear explosion in the night sky.

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And how is it that police aren't there arresting everyone? Two people got shot (though DL and Nikki probably skedaddled), there's a giant pool of blood on the ground, and THERE WAS JUST A NUCLEAR EXPLOSION IN THE NIGHT SKY.

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I gotta point out something that's bugging me - It's spelled kensei, not kensai, and its not a name but a title. So "the kensei" not "Kensei."

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Not necessarily; the word is a not-too-grammatical riff off of "sensei", for teacher (generally used for martial arts). In Japanese, we call teachers "[name]-sensei", using the word as an honorific suffix, or simply "sensei", as a noun/name. No "the" necesscary - reserve that for Doctors and Masters.

Mark
 

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Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
 
We were in New York last year (my first time) and were walking around town around 10 - 11 pm on our way to the Staton Island Ferry. It was dark and there were still plenty of people out and about. Enough that, if I had turned to my friend and started clubbing him with a parking meter while a super hot model came running over to try and take me out and then my other friends hands started glowing... there would have been a small crowd with camera phones before it was over.
 

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Posted by WizArtist II (Member # 1425) on :
 
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I gotta point out something that's bugging me - It's spelled kensei, not kensai, and its not a name but a title. So "the kensei" not "Kensei."

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Not necessarily; the word is a not-too-grammatical riff off of "sensei", for teacher (generally used for martial arts). In Japanese, we call teachers "[name]-sensei", using the word as an honorific suffix, or simply "sensei", as a noun/name. No "the" necesscary - reserve that for Doctors and Masters.
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I thought kensei was a master of kenshido?
 

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
...anyway... back to MY questions...
 

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Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
 
Back to your questions, I don't think Chandra's alive. Sanjog showed Mohinder a vision of Sylar killing Chandra and another of Chandra and Mo's mum(I forget her name..) talking about Shanti. The Shanti vision was accurate, so it stands to reason that the Chandra murder vision was also.

The person I think is still alive is Papa Petrelli.

And I immediately thought Kensei(or THE Kensei, whichever) was going to be Kaito Nakamura, but it doesn't look anything like him. He just happens to be an aging asian man wearing a helmet that disguises his face a bit.
 

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Posted by HopefulNebula (Member # 1933) on :
 
Mo's mum doesn't have a name, far as anyone can tell. So, she's Mrs. Suresh. Or Mo's mum works too. And I'm with you on Papa Petrelli (who also doesn't have a name... damn the writers!).
 

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
Reguarding Sylar's powers - one thing I thought of - FBI Agent Hanson - when revealing to Matt Parkman about Sylar - said that she had been chasing him over the country... I THINK she may have said the number of murders she attributed to him. Maybe a way of working out how many different powers he has.
 

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Posted by HopefulNebula (Member # 1933) on :
 
Yes, but we don't know if she's counting "collateral damage"--unpowered people like Frozen Guy's Wife and the beer truck driver from one of the GNs--in that number.
 

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Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
 
There probably would have been collateral damage added to that total(and I seem to remember someone saying that his victims had no physical marks.. maybe they were non-powered ones so he didn't cut their heads off), but I'm sure Mrs.Frozen Guy would have had a power, because she was Molly's mother and in several cases we've seen children who have two powered parents.

I think Papa Petrelli's still alive because they've said he had a power and he "committed suicide", which is the same cover story Nathan used when Peter first used his powers. Maybe he disagreed with his wife's plan to blow up NY?
 

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Posted by HopefulNebula (Member # 1933) on :
 
If Mrs. Frozen Guy had had a power, Sylar would have cut her brain out. Unless she didn't know about it, and he didn't know about it. Either way, he didn't get the power.
 

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Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
 
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Posted by HopefulNebula (Member # 1933) on :
 
Nope. Skewered and pinned to the wall with every knife in the kitchen.

Of course, if she didn't know she had a power, Sylar might not have known either. He *was* going by Suresh's map. So you could be right. Either way, though, we have no idea the ratio of powered to non-powered people he's killed.
 

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Posted by HopefulNebula (Member # 1933) on :
 
It looks like they're gonna be continuing the GNs through the hiatus. There's a Haitian story up now.
 

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
Cool!
 

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
A few more things...

The cockroach on the sewer manhole cover - after the "death"? of Sylar... there was also an insect in the cell (a cockroach I think) he was kept in at Primatech paper - when he 'died' previously. I wonder what this is about.

Secondly, Bennett asked Mohinder at one point "are you on the list" - is it possible he has got a talent?
 

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Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
 
The cockroach is just symbolism really. One of the writers stated explicitly that Sylar doesn't turn into insects, just in case anyone had been wondering.
 

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Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
 
The plaza where the showdown took place is actually in L.A., not New York (yay local filming!). Jen and I took our pictures in front of the orange thing when we happened to drive past it whilst we were in town for Celebration IV last month. I'll have pics up soon.

--Jonah
 

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Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
 
Well, we've only just finished in the UK. But we got a Torchwood season 2 trailer, so, nyah.

I've been thinking about the timeline, ever since "Five Years Gone."

The way I see it, in the original timeline Hiro tried to stop the bomb by killing Sylar, only to have him regenerate because he had taken Claire's power. Apart from that, everything else happened pretty much as we saw it over the course of the season apart from the absence of Claire because she'd been gotten early on.

Perhaps in that timeline Hiro still got flicked towards that building by Sylar and had to make his emergency jump to 17th Century Japan, and when he got back it was too late. He then spent all that time in Isaac's loft figuring out what he had to do to change things, and came to the conclusion that if Sylar couldn't regenerate, then he'd succeed at killing him. Hence his (future Hiro's) trip way way back to tell Peter "Save the cheerleader, save the world."

However, when he gets back to his present, he finds things the same. But this time there's a difference - "our" Hiro appears, and tells him something he didn't know - his message worked, and Claire was saved (but has been in hiding, so to Future Hiro she's still dead, effectively, but actually isn't).

One question that hasn't been answered from my perspective is this: do you need regenerative powers to survive being the source of an Exploding Man-style nuclear explosion? Because if you do, it leads to a bit of a plot hole: in the first timeline, who was the Exploding Man? It couldn't be either Peter or Sylar because they're still alive (Peter in hiding; Sylar as the president, having gotten Nathan and Candice at some point before or after the explosion) - so it might have been Ted. In the second timeline, it was definitely Peter because he says as much, but he has the regenerative ability because he saved Claire (but then, why that scar?). Of course, if the Exploding Man power doesn't harm its actual wielder then it's not so much of an issue.

Or, perhaps there's only ever been one timeline! Claire always survived, but Future Hiro mistakenly assumed it was Jackie who was the cheerleader who needed saving.

So in the end it came down to the way things happened at Kirby Plaza. Future Hiro was actually right in that you saved the world by saving the cheerleader, but not in the way he originally thought. Because Claire's survival meant she met Nathan, and was able to speak to his conscience and thus get him to intervene at the crucial moment.

Someone's promised us all the s2 eps to date, and we may take them up on it. Unless Minutey wants to give me another lecture on intellectual property rights. . ?
 

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Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
 
I think Ted's power didn't harm him. I also don't think the other heroes knew it wouldn't harm Peter. I know Peter was only concerned with not blowing up New York, and wasn't thinking about himself. Notice in the early episodes of the second season, Peter's considered missing, and not dead.

How does that revise your theories?

--Jonah
 

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