I'm sure allot of you had a similar reaction as I did when I first heard they were making a TV show called "The Sarah Connor Chronicles". The reaction being "Oh Dear, is that screeching the sound of the bottom of the barrel being scraped clean of the last remaining dregs of originality?"
But then I saw this on trusty YouTube and you know what? It doesn't look half as bad as the title might suggest. If you're wondering what this has to do with the thread title, just watch the clip. You'll get it.
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
I'm sorry, but I don't like it. To be honest I'm tired of movies(and now TV shows)rehashing previous ideas. Besides, we've seen and a female terminator before.
Posted by HopefulNebula (Member # 1933) on :
I might watch this just because Summer Glau's in it. *drool*
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
Based on the strength of the trailer I'm defiantly going to check out the pilot. Of course trailers can lie and show can get better or worse as they progress but I think this one deserves a chance. Granted it's not even close to an original concept, but then neither was Stargate SG1, and look how that turned out. You might include Buffy in that category too, I'm not sure if it counts if the same bloke is behind both incarnations.
quote:Besides, we've seen and a female terminator before.
And? Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
And the first female Terminator was much hotter!
Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :
I agree that this looks interesting. I'm going to give it a shot.
Posted by B.J. (Member # 858) on :
Any hope of them overwriting the last movie? That was just too depressing for me.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
Well from the looks of things it's a time travel show, so quite possibly.
For the record, I LIKED the ending of T3. It was the only thing about the film that was surprising.
[ June 04, 2007, 09:12 AM: Message edited by: Reverend ]
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
I will probably check this out, even though I've never seen any of the "Terminator" movies. Because Summer Glau is HOT.
I just gotta say, though, that the line, "Come with me if you want to live!" is SUCH a fucking awful clich�.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
**spoiler**
Reports indicate that the show STARTS not too long after T2 in the early 90s, but to help hide from the Terminators, Summer time travels everyone to 2007 (this explains why everyone's naked in part of the trailer, even after they do the introduction of Summer's character as innocent cutie). As a result, this overrides T3.
This in turn is okay, as the Terminator comics have for years postulated the existence of many alternate timelines and the interactions between them. Stuff like what would happen if Sarah HAD been killed int eh first movie, or if John Connor was actually born a girl. Hell, there was even a Robocop crossover which had the Terminators coming back to ensure that the technology used to create Murphy would also be used to create Skynet.
Mark
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
quote:Originally posted by MinutiaeMan: I will probably check this out, even though I've never seen any of the "Terminator" movies. Because Summer Glau is HOT.
I just gotta say, though, that the line, "Come with me if you want to live!" is SUCH a fucking awful clich�.
Since you haven't see the Terminator movies (shame on you BTW) you won't know that line is in all 3...I think. First two for sure. Just like "I'll Be Back" and "Get Out", it's sort of a catch phrase for the franchise.
quote:This in turn is okay, as the Terminator comics have for years postulated the existence of many alternate timelines and the interactions between them. Stuff like what would happen if Sarah HAD been killed int eh first movie, or if John Connor was actually born a girl. Hell, there was even a Robocop crossover which had the Terminators coming back to ensure that the technology used to create Murphy would also be used to create Skynet.
You gotta love Frank Miller.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
quote:Originally posted by Reverend: Since you haven't see the Terminator movies (shame on you BTW) you won't know that line is in all 3...I think. First two for sure. Just like "I'll Be Back" and "Get Out", it's sort of a catch phrase for the franchise.
Oh. Well, never mind. Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
Yeah, it's sort of the "I'm help" identifier. In T2, Arnie said it as an ID because it's what Michael Biehn had said in the first.
They named her Cameron after James Cameron. Tch. Also, a Terminator that learns to love? Oh boy.
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mark Nguyen: **spoiler**
Reports indicate that the show STARTS not too long after T2 in the early 90s, but to help hide from the Terminators, Summer time travels everyone to 2007 (this explains why everyone's naked in part of the trailer, even after they do the introduction of Summer's character as innocent cutie). As a result, this overrides T3.
This in turn is okay, as the Terminator comics have for years postulated the existence of many alternate timelines and the interactions between them. Stuff like what would happen if Sarah HAD been killed int eh first movie, or if John Connor was actually born a girl. Hell, there was even a Robocop crossover which had the Terminators coming back to ensure that the technology used to create Murphy would also be used to create Skynet.
quote:Originally posted by Shik: Yeah, it's sort of the "I'm help" identifier. In T2, Arnie said it as an ID because it's what Michael Biehn had said in the first.
They named her Cameron after James Cameron. Tch. Also, a Terminator that learns to love? Oh boy.
That's fine, so long as she can't cry. With a neural net processor I'd expect her to have quiet a bit of character growth. Look at T2, in a matter of days the T-800 learnt irony, humour (sorta) and sacrifice.
[ June 05, 2007, 04:08 AM: Message edited by: Reverend ]
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Summer as River was a great human foil for everyone else on Firefly - like Data or Spock or Seven, she was the representative of the audience looking in. I expect that this quality was chief among her winning this role.
I can see it now, though - the critics are going to stack this one against "The Bionic Woman" remake next season. This false comparison almost guarantees that only one will survive its first season.
Mark
Posted by B.J. (Member # 858) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mark Nguyen: Summer as River was a great human foil for everyone else on Firefly - like Data or Spock or Seven, she was the representative of the audience looking in.
I just don't see this at all. It's hard to get into her mind when she was barely occupying it herself!
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
The same way that Spock or Data's lack of emotions got us teh most emotional fan responses over the years, IMO.
Mark
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
From the look of that first link preview - this has potential! What is that about time-travel? Why to 2007? There'd still have to be a John Connor in the 90's to allow T3 to happen. That was SUCH a depressing ending to that movie, hey?
I alway felt that it was the start of a story for the next few movies - the rise of John Connor as a leader (and Clare Daines' character) and humanity's struggle to fight back. Still quite a depressing ending though.
Also - what was the first link's preview shown at - it seem to return to some sort of awards ceremony or something... does anyone know? Do they have an evening where they just preview all the new series for the following year?? That'd be call.
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
I thought the ending to T3 paved the way for a fourth movie which would finally bring an end to the machines. But I have to agree with AndrewR that the ending was depressing.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
The ending was HOPEFUL dammit, not depressing. I don't know why everyone keeps expecting a Terminator movie that shows the final defeat of the machines wasn't paying attention in the first movie. Humanity had already won when Skynet sent the first Terminator back, imminent defeat is what drove it to such a desperate tactic. Of course after that comes alternate timelines and predestination paradoxes and it all gets fuzzy. Bottom line, if Conner lives, we win, if he dies, those that aren't wiped out in the nuclear barrage are rounded up and exterminated in forced labour camps.
quote:From the look of that first link preview - this has potential! What is that about time-travel? Why to 2007?
At a guess, because they want the show to be contemporary without ignoring T3. By jumping ahead they get to keep Sarah alive and have John still in his teens.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
I like the trick of hiding the gun inside the flesh. I have often wondered why the original Terminators weren't so equipped. Hell, a bunch of hardware wrapped in a cocoon of grown flesh sent along with the Terminator would have made it's mission much easier...and made a much shorter film.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Actually, that's all been done in the DHP comics - at least one terminator brought back an energy weapon IIRC, and in the "Robocop Vs. Terminator" crossover (which was actually pretty good), a fully-robotic Murphy/Robocop from the future came back to fix time by encasing himself in a solid lump of cloned flesh.
This preview however shows that the evil terminator here brought back a handgun that at least LOOKS like it could be bought locally. Of course, had he brought back a ray gun, he'd probably have vapourized River Tam instead of just "killing" her to be revealed later as a terminator herself.
Separately, the preview also seems to establish that time travellers aren't sent through the big shiny ball thing naked - whatever they may be wearing is removed in transit. But what about my 100% natural wool sweater, hmm?
Mark
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
Well wool may be organic but it's still dead matter. Which might explain allot of the intense pain Reese described. Imagine having every bit of dead skin and loose hear ripped from your body all at once, that's gotta smart. Speaking of smart it looks like Skynet set back a "sleeper" Terminator to monitor the net for signs of the Conners. Presumably these Terminators are from the post T3 timeline where John is eventually killed off - in the original timeline he's there when the defence grid is smashed and the complex it about to be blown - so Skynet has more time to send back agents for purposes other than just terminating future Tech-Comm officers, particularly considering temporal displacement technology now seams to have been developed pre-Judgement Day. Theoretically it could send back hordes of cyborgs with zipped copies of it's core program to ensure it's own future. Which is what I assume is partly what the T-X was up to.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Dead matter? Hair and nails..?
Mark
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :
I'm sure this has been said before, but doesn't the existence of John Connor mean the war will still happen? They may have delayed it, but it would still happen considering his father was a soldier of that war. If the war never happened, then Reese would not have been sent back, and John would not have been born.
I will however check this show out if not only for the hottness of Summer Glau. Of course it's on Fox, so if it's actually good then they'll probably cancel it.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
Especially since Reese was conceived and born after Judgement Day. Were it not for the war it's possible his biological parents would never have met...but that's time travel for you, it only makes sense to a point. The first two films were relatively neat but after that I think we're straying into alternate universe territory.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
We most definitely are. The story STARTS somewhere in the late-90s, but then Summer gets there, all hell breaks loose, and they end up time-travelled to 2008 (after Judgement Day as it occured in T3) to escape.
Presumably this follows the comics idea that timelines between 1984 and 2029 are constantly in flux, and that any number of alternate ideas can play out. In this one, Summer is apparently sent from 2027, prior to Reese, if they keep that the original Terminator is from 2029.
In the movies, the goal progresses from ensuring John Connor is born to lead following Judgement Day, to ensuring that Judgement Day can never happen, to ensuring that John Connor SURVIVES it. Now, it looks like we're continuing the T3 idea at least, with an eye on keeping the Terminators in 2008 from causing the war in this timeline.
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