Where did the Empire get the raw materials for the construction of the Death Star 2? I mean, there were no visible scars on the forest moon, Endor, that might indicate mining.
And: How long was it under construction?
Thank you, I havn't watched SW:ROTJ for quite a while but these questions have been nagging me...
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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :
They probably brought in the resources from all over the galaxy. I'd imagine the station was under construction for a couple of years, but it's not clear exactly how long.
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Posted by Delta Vega (Member # 283) on :
Is that how the Bothans tracked it? Or were they slaves putting it together? I do remember Moff Jerjored or whoever saying "My men are working faster." That kinda implies his men, so no slaves like the D.1?
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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :
Right. Of course, the Emperor seemed to imply that he wanted the Alliance to attack the DS, so maybe the info was actually "leaked" to the Bothans.
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Posted by Delta Vega (Member # 283) on :
Well yes, but wouldn't a lot of freighters attract attention by other people. Black Sun or the Hutts might be interested.. And we didn't see any in ROTJ. Maybe another moon orbiting the missing gas giant?
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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :
I doubt anyone would notice, especially if the freighters were special high-security ones, or anything like that...
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Posted by Delta Vega (Member # 283) on :
Ok. Thanks Frank.
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Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
This is yet another point of how rediculous SW is. I mean, it's cool and all, but there is absolutely NO way that ANYONE could gather the materials and manpower nesecary to build a structure THAT FREAKIN' BIG inside the six months I seem to recall reading somewhere, or even the two years since the first DS blew up. 'Course, there's also no way that anything could generate the kind of energy nesecary to blow up a planet in that small a space. I believe that the figure was that it'd take five times the mass of the DS2 in matter/antimatter anhilation to do that.
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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :
Well, I'm sure a caveman witnessing the destruction of Hiroshima would feel the same way.
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Posted by Xentrick (Member # 64) on :
After seeing the capitol city of Coruscant in Episode I, I can believe that hundreds, perhaps thousands of freighter-loads of material and equipment could be sent directed to Endor's system from all around the galaxy without anyone blinking an eye.
The two significant differences between the SW "universe" and the St "universe" are Age and Size. SW has had "hundreds of generations" to establish industrial planets and huge populations across an entire galaxy, whereas the meager Federation has about 200 systems, some of them only hi-tech for the last few centuries.
Posted by Saltah'na (Member # 33) on :
Is it possible that there were TWO Death Stars being constructed at the same time? You can terrorize the Alliance twice over with two of them.
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Posted by Matrix (Member # 376) on :
I do believe that Star Wars can build Death Stars if they wanted to without seriously damaging the ecnomics of the galaxy. The industrial capacity is also superior than ST since they can build thousands of mile long Star Destroyers. The man power however is very hard as it would take years to build something that big with lets say 50,000 men. I would assume that about a million men and driods were out there building it.
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Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
A MILLION? Ha! Try a billion.
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Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :
And, in the SW universe, finding a billion workers might not be so hard. If you have millions of droids working, and a lot of slaves, it might be possible. However, it would still take a long time to build.
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Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :
Or no replicators. The SWverse seems to employ billions of droids, and no doubt being able to work 24/7 or 32/9 depending what a day and week is in the SWverse. Besides the fact, the galaxy is ruled by the Empire, getting the materials they need isn't hard when you rule every planet with valuable resources. The Rebellion on the other hand, uses much older technology, and getting new stuff isn't easy. I don't think it was an accident that the Trade Federation's technology looks so similar to that used by the Empire, even the droid controll ship had a mini-Death Star structure in the center. Whereas the Rebellion's technology and ships looks like that Republic ship in the beginning. Very nice continuity on their Lucas's behalf.
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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :
Eurm...even though the Empire would basically have to be a slightly different version of the Republic?
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Posted by Teelie (Member # 280) on :
If you go by the Extended Universe of SW (the books) then yes, the Emperor always built two of his super weapons.
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Frank all I was saying was that it was a nice touch how the TF's ships looked similar to the design of the ships that will be used by the Empire.
And how the Republic ship in the beginning of TPM looked similar to the Rebellion's ships.
Meaning that the Rebellion would be using old out-dated technology from the Republic era. While the Empire would have new and advanced technology, perhaps using Trade Federation as a means for procurring resources and ship design technology.
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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :
Ah, but wouldn't the Empire just use the Republic's left-over ships? No need to build a new fleet if there's one ready for you to use.
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Posted by Matrix (Member # 376) on :
Noty if the technologies on those ships are severely outdated. It would be like saying that the wooden ships a century and a half ago was still here they would be right now the flagships of the US's fleet. The only wooden ship in still active service is the USS Constitution although not serving a real active role in anything.
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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :
Remember, though, the SW universe doesn't exhibit the rapid tech changes we have today.
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Posted by USS Vanguard (Member # 130) on :
Yeah, maybe the Empire is going through a sort of dark ages, where the technology is stagnant with only occasional improvements
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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
Well, the Empire is the ultimate bureaucracy, with a supreme leader on top of a very complicated hierarchy.
The thing is that bureaucracy naturally counteracts change and creativity. Say a brilliant young imperial scientist comes up with a great solution. Then the people over him get angry because they didn't think of it themselves and he makes them look bad. Then the scientist will be happy if he can keep his windpipes.
Therefor the working people in the Empire probably took it easy and tried to stay average so that they may live. Plus, they probably wouldn't get the credit for it anyway, if we use Vader's interaction with the officer in the beginning of ROTJ as a dipstick. Flat out death-threats, should the quota not be met. Nice working-environment.
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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :
Well, there was a thread about this elsewhere...basically, the rapid change of the past century or two is very abnormal, and there is a point at which all the useful technologies will be discovered.
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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
After all, who will ever need more than 640K, hmm?
*Actually LOLs*
Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :
Say, about those ships. Apparently, Victory-class star destroyers are rather old. Say perhaps near the fall of the Republic they came into service? Palpatine decided to make larger versions, and the Imperator-class was born.
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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :
I imagine both should be around in the Republic, actually...
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Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :
I suppose that makes sense. But, obviously, the Executor is completely Imperial. Hmm. Those SSDs... Makes me wonder... *starts a new thread*
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