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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Tora Ziyal: [QB] [i]Don't get me wrong, I don't believe in some mythical "sanctity of life" nonsense. Life is life, whether you're a human or Mr. J.H. Paramecium. I don't believe that "life" begins at conception or that any "soul" enters the body or that an early-stage embryo is a "person." (Twinning usually occurs long after conception,so when is the extra soul added?),[/i] How long is "long"? The embryos of twins (I assume you're talking about identical twins, since fraternal ones are separate all the time) should've been split shortly after conception while they were still cell-like. I'm just trying to get this cleared up, not arguing. [i] so my reason isn't religious. [/i] Read my longer post again. There is no mention of religion. I do not stand by my point because Christianity says so. [i]I've seen the pictures the anti-folks use, and they are graphic. They're also from a very small percentage of actual abortions.[/i] So what happens in the "larger percentage"? [i] (In fact, I have my doubts about the people that would actually dig aroud looking for that stuff, but that's another thing.) [/i] For the abortion video I saw, its people took the bodies from the trash bins in the back of abortion clinics. They just throw them away like any other trash. [i] Most abortions occur before there's appreciable differentiation. [/i] Most abortions occur at 3 months into pregnancy. The heart starts beating on day 22. By the 3rd month the baby has some movement, and some argue that it can feel pain. It has all the appearances of a regular person, just smaller in size. It is not a blob of tissue. [i] So that's not my reason, either. I don't really know what my reason is. It just is.I also know that all things considered, I'm glad I will never be put in a position to have to make that choice. I will never be a woman. I will never become pregnant. I will, most likely, never have to raise a child, especially not on my own. I will never have to worry about bearing a child that might kill me in the birthing. [/i] But it might be someone you care about, which could arguably hurt more. [i] Or be severely disabled. And for THOSE reasons, what someone who IS in that position chooses is none of my damned business.[/i] You're damned lucky and damned ungrateful for your own birth. And that's not completely true. If and when you're married, you'd have to help your wife make that decision. You also forget that some moron boyfriends who cannot take the responsibilities of their actions force their girlfriends to get the abortion. And some parents who cannot face the humiliation force their daughters to get the abortion. [i] Nor is it those "Save America" people's. Let them keep busy seeing that all the unwanted babies,[/i] There would be no unwanted babies if people were more responsible. [i] the orphanage kids, the Down's Syndrome and other disabled kids, are adopted. [/i] There are actually not enough babies out there for adoption. Through conventional methods (ie, through an agency instead of privately), a couple could wait years to adopt a baby in the US. The reason is that too many pregnant young (and able) women are aborting their fetuses instead of putting them up for adoption, so those older couples who have come to want kids but can't conceive outnumber the orphaned babies. [i] Then, maybe, they can talk. No, on second thought, put them to work on poverty next. [/i] Now THAT would be a very good idea indeed. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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