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[QUOTE]Originally posted by First of Two: [QB] >"First your argument about non believing that life gegins at conception falls down on one point. At what point is it life? When it's born? A minute before it's born? A day? A week? When do you draw the line between 'ball of cells' and 'living creature'?" An invalid question. Before we can answer that question, we must first answer all of these: What is life? What is intelligence? Is all life to have the same rights, regardless of the level of physical or mental development? Is a tuna equal to a dolphin? Can you use "life" as a qualification for "rights" without being hypocritical, if you eat meat? Or plants, for that matter? Does a ball of cells that may one day be a human have more rights than a ball of cells that may one day be a gopher? Or a sequoia tree? Does a being that cannot survive without a life support system have an inherent right TO that life support system? An odd analogy: If you woke up one morning and found that you'd been hooked up to a comatose person and were using your blood and bodily nutrients to keep them alive, would you have a moral obligation to stay hooked up? "Life begins at conception" is a meaningless sound bite. Of COURSE life (basic as it may be) begins at conception. The question is where do we believe we get the moral obligation to keep that life alive? Nature does not recognize conceptions, or there wouldn't be such a thing as spontaneous miscarriages. There exists as yet no agreement of when a being achieves "personhood." >First: If you did marry someone who couldn't conceive, would you adopt? And wouldn't you be grateful that someone who didn't want their baby was prepared for someone else to have it, rather than having it killed? No, I wouldn't adopt. I am not suited to be a parent, due to my economic condition and responsibility level, and am well aware of the fact. Given the choice, I'd rather not try. (That said, were it to, by some miracle - and it would HAVE to be a legitimate miracle, in her case - be thrust upon me, as it were, I'd do my damnedest to be a good father, and would never even consider suggesting abortion. Again, that wouldn't truly be MY decision to make. It'd be hers, and I'd stand by her no matter what. Oh, and incidentally, I was somewhat off about twinning. It usually happens at 7-14 DAYS, not weeks. Which still shoots down the belief that the soul and identity as an individual exists at conception. I'll skip mentioning those that do not fully separate, except to wonder how many people they count as. I didn't want to get drawn into this argument. I just wanted to say what I thought. Foolish me for disagreeing. You wanna light the fire now? This stake is getting cold. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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