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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Omega: [QB] 1701: Joke or not, I still find it insulting. Ziyal: "How very convenient." No different than the six year old getting killed in a gang shootout. God allowed it to happen, not caused it. "Using that definition, do you consider Jews and Muslims "fallen from God" because they don't believe in Jesus as the Messiah?" The Muslims weeren't God's people to begin with. I'm still wondering about the Jews. They worship God, but they don't in the way He commanded them to, and the old covenant was repealed when Christ died. Draw your own conclusion. "They want to see what happens if they don't do what parents say, what school says, what society says." Either that, or they just don't want to listen to their parents. Some kids do that. And most teens get back in line at some point. "Wouldn't God KNOW beyond a doubt that those who disobeyed him were GOING to disobey him?" Ah, the old "double predestination" argument. Yeah, He would. If He stopped them from doing whatever it was they did that got them condemned for all eternity, it would contradict free will. Jubes: "An all-powerful diety fighting against a just as powerful evil thing..." Hang on just a second! Satan isn't as powerful as God! Nowhere close! God created Satan. Satan had to ask God before bugging Job. This isn't a war that will be won by a narrow margin. It's no contest. Sol: Equal to God? Where the heck did you get that idea? "In the image of God" doesn't mean equal to. It just means that we have some characteristic(s) that God has. And I don't think he treats us like cattle. Cattle don't have free will. They go where they're told because they have no choice. 1of2: Of course I agree with you. You don't think that I just disagree with everything you say just because you're the one that said it, do you? : ) And Bryce is right, all of you. If you want to understand all of this, just sit down with someone who understands and study the Bible. It's all right there. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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