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[QUOTE]Originally posted by First of Two: [QB] That wasn't Texas, that was Columbine, Colorado. And those kids broke SO many preexisting laws that it doesn't bear mentioning. And there was a record of other trouble, threats, as well. If anybody had been paying attention, the whole thing could have been prevented. >"Pardon me while a shoot a big hole in your statistic, but yes, guns ARE the problem, especially how accessible they are to these gang members who shoot each other and any innocent bystanders that get in the way. Proper enforcement of Gun Control is supposed to deal with this, to make it a lot harder for them to obtain these weapons (and more punishing when they do). Too bad for you guys though, those damned Republicans just drilled your most recent attempt to make your place a safer place to live." HAHAHA! You actually BELIEVE this? No wonder we aren't making any progress! Kid, those gang members ALREADY obtain guns illegally! in fact, it's usually the ONLY way they get guns! So tell me, how is another law going to change that? It CAN'T. And it's NOT the Republicans who are failing to enforce the laws... much as I hate to agree with Omega, it's the generally liberalized justice system that's doing that! Richmond, VA is enforcing its "use a gun in a crime, automatic 5 years tacked on in the federal pen, with no parole" laws now for the first time... and drawing some left-wing fire for doing so. (Oh, and you can't "poke a hole" in a statistic without quoting a more relevant statistic... like how many gang members came by their guns using currently legal means...although you probably wouldn't want to do that, as it would likely support MY case more than yours.) Baloo: You hit the nail on the head, sir. Pass a lot of laws, conveniently ignore enforcing them, then ride the public outcry over the next tragedy to even stricter measures, hopefully to an outright ban. THAT one, of course, you enforce. No, the guns aren't the problem. Guns are neutral objects, neither good nor evil. (In actuality, guns are used thousands of times more for a "good" end -- in law enforcement, preventing crimes by their mere display, etc. -- than for "evil" ones. This statement is unassailable, and the UCR bears it out.) Scum, and our failure to deal with scum properly, is the problem. Our reluctance to see that that is the actual problem is the secondary problem. We continue to insist that all these people with 7 arrests to their record need is a "second chance" -- which, 80% of the time, turns into a third, fourth, fifth, etc chance. And this doesn't just apply to gun homicides. Can you guess the percentage of DUI vehicular homicides perpetrated by people with a long history of DUI behaviour or other arrests? a)90% b)80% c)75% d)85% Final answer? Oh, and about the rules for gun safety... 12 is a very late start to teach them. _I_ knew enough to stay out of my father's den (where the guns are kept) at FOUR, even though I didn't really know why. I was, as I recall, seven when my father let me fire a pistol, after showing me just what could happen (with props like a watermelon and a gallon jug full of water) if I misused it. I learned the Three Laws immediately thereafter, and though I still live with guns, use them, and probably will forever, I have never had either the desire to use them on a human being, NOR any form of accident. Nor will I, unless it become necessary to protect myself or my close ones from an intruder who some 'feel-good' allowed out on the street on 'parole.' [/QB][/QUOTE]
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