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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Siegfried: [QB] [QUOTE]From Omega: [qb]I challenge you to find me one person here that thinks that oral sex is, or even should be, a crime.[/qb][/QUOTE] And tell me, how many states still have sodomy laws? Most of those laws consider any act other than a penis going into a vagina to be sodomy. Texas has such a law that is used against homosexuals. [QUOTE]From Omega: [qb]Now you tell me: is it a crime to LIE about oral sex while under oath before a federal grand jury? Because that's exactly what Bill Clinton did.[/qb][/QUOTE] And if you reread my post, I acknowledged that he committed a crime by lying while giving a deposition. Reread my post, Omega. [QUOTE]From Omega: [qb]I never said that Iran-Contra didn't happen. I said that Ollie North went to prison for his crimes, for crying out loud! It HAPPENED! Obviously! But Reagan and Bush were NOT involved, as Jeff claimed they were.[/qb][/QUOTE] And, once again, reread my post. Did I say "Omega is denying Iran-Contra happened!" No, I did not. I said people like you. That means people of the same devotion as you have claimed that everything about Iran-Contra was a hoax. [QUOTE]From Omega: [qb]Remember, he was sworn to tell the WHOLE truth. He purposefully withheld information relevant to the question, in a consious attempt to deceive the jury. This is perjury.[/qb][/QUOTE] Once again, I acknowledged Clinton did this. Reread, Omega. [QUOTE]From Omega: [qb]Witch-hunts are when you try to obtain convictions, the truth be damned. This man COMMITED A CRIME.[/qb][/QUOTE] Let's see, the Whitewater investigation looked at many different situations. First was the Whitewater Land Deal. Clinton and his wife were cleared of that. Then came the firing in the Travel Office. Once again, cleared of wrong-doing. The suicide of Vince Foster. Had to have three inquiries into this, but the allegations of a murder were disproven. The FBI files arriving at the White House. Cleared of wrong-doing. The Republicans hunted for something to bust Clinton on and, after many dead-ends, they succeeded with Monica Lewinsky and Paula Jones. The government paid for Starr's "investigations." It certainly wasn't his own personal fortune. Germany did not support this endeavor. The money came from the country's own coffers and, guess what, the citizens of the US keep those coffers full. [QUOTE]From Omega: [qb]There was no chance that Carter was going to win that election. The Iranians had already decided to let the hostages go, and simply waited 'til Reagan was sworn in as a slap at Carter.[/qb][/QUOTE] Gee, why would terrorists do this? They could have held the hostages longer and used them as a bargaining chip with the incoming administration. But no, the hostages were returned as soon as Reagan took office. [QUOTE]From Omega: [qb]This is a logical leap that defies all reason. Why shouldn't Bush have negotiated with the hostage-takers? Former director of the CIA, soon to be VP. Remember, these people REALLY didn't like Carter, so someone not attached to that administration would be preferable. What does that have to do with a possible missile deal?[/qb][/QUOTE] Why shouldn't Bush have negotiated with terrorists? How about the fact that this was in October and Bush was not even the VP-elect. He was one of many Vice-Presidential candidates. Bush's doing any negotiations would be a conflict of interest. On top of that, he wasn't sent by the Carter Administration or by Congress. What possible jurisdiction could he have? Nothing other than to promise something in return for returning the hostages if Reagan assumes power. That's the logical leap you could not see. [QUOTE]From Omega: [qb]Or perhaps he was so EFFECTIVE a leader that he trusted his people to do their jobs, without his micromanaging everything. Ever think of that?[/qb][/QUOTE] Yes, I did think about this. And if he was an effective leader, his subordinates should have had more respect for their leader than to try anything that would harm their leader. [QUOTE]From Omega: [qb]As I understand it, the law broken was the fact that the aid given to the Contras was covert, something that had been made illegal. I don't think the missiles had anything to do with North's conviction, though I could be wrong.[/qb][/QUOTE] Oliver North was head responsible for a lot of what happened in the Iran-Contra Affair. That is what he got busted on. [QUOTE]From Omega: [qb]He commited perjury. Do you deny this?[/qb][/QUOTE] Reread, Omega. I denied nothing. [QUOTE]From Omega: [qb]If there's evidence of Reagan or Bush breaking laws, you certainly haven't presented it.[/qb][/QUOTE] And was that my intent? No, it was to back what Jeff Kardde had posted earlier. I'm not trying to be this all-knowing person. I posted what I know in an effort to support Jeff, and I also posted in response to the rape of the presidency that Republicans think that Clinton is guilty of. [QUOTE]From Omega: [qb]Reread my post. You'd look like less of an idiot.[/qb][/QUOTE] Take your own advice, Omega. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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