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We can't get along wiht the political left!!!! We must defeat them!
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by The_Tom: [QB] Oy vey... Let's try and wade through this stupid point by stupid point. [*]First's "The ABM treaty was signed with the USSR and not Russia therefore it doesn't count." I may be mistaken, but there were a whole smatter of declarations and such at around the time of the collapse of the Soviet Union that granted Russia succession status to the USSR internationally. It's why, among other reasons, the USSR's permanent seat on the Security Council didn't just vanish but instead was rechartered to Russia. Certainly if the ABM treaty no longer applies, then I guess the atmospheric test ban and the non-proliferation treaties are non-binding, too, considering that their other major signatory is now gone, too. I guess Canada will now be legally allowed to start doing surface nuclear tests 100 yards from the American border in Southern Saskatchewan. Directly upwind from Minneapolis and Chicago, if possible. But hey, it's our internal affairs, huh Omega? [*]Omega's "Reagan ended the Cold War." Take a history lesson, boy. Reagan started a second arms race after Carter and Ford and Nixon did an admirable job with SALT I and II (and the failure of II was, *gasp* not the American's fault.) Instead, Reagan went all fucked-in-the-head with Star Wars 1 and neutron bombs and low-range tactical nukes and pissed the living daylights out of the Russians. START was a watered-down arms reduction treaty stuck ten years in the past. If Gobachev wasn't as reasonable as he was all the advances made in the previous ten years might have gone to hell in a handbasket. If you want a Republican to praise for winning the Cold War, then praise Bush-the-smarter, who actually dealt with the Soviet Union respectfully and patiently rather than treating it as an "evil empire." What brought the Soviet Union down was a sluggish economy rife with corruption and ineficiency, the human and financial costs of war in Afghanistan, Glasnost and Perestroika running-out-of-control and, believe it or not, Gorbachev's poorly-recieved campaign against alcoholism. (That was a truly fascinating history course.) Reagan might have forced the Soviet Union to spend on defense to the point of economic detriment, but I'd hardly consider that an intentional plan of his nor a preferable course of action when it comes to dealing with a big angry bear. [*]And the infamous MIT scientists... A conference of hundreds of physicists and political analysts from around the world met in Vancouver about 12 months ago and released a joint conclusion that Missile Defense was far more trouble than it was worth. Clearly these MIT people aren't rogue thinkers surrounded by a sea of brilliant scientists who all know that a missile shield is a smart idea. [*]Germany supports SDI? That would be news to me. The EU has announced its opposition, and NATO has also refused to endorse the system. Germany is a prominent member of both and I heard nothing. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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