Post A Reply
my profile
|
directory
login
|
search
|
faq
|
forum home
»
Flare Sci-Fi Forums
»
Community
»
The Flameboard
»
Hmmm.... Fascinating.
» Post A Reply
Post A Reply
Login Name:
Password:
Message:
HTML is enabled.
UBB Code™ is enabled.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by First of Two: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Cartman: [qb] Right. Just don't insult the Iranians who are fighting and dying for social reforms in their country [/qb][/QUOTE]Ironic, given the Iranian decision to install the Fundies, who turned out to be even more repressive than the Shah was. [QUOTE] Originally posted by Balaam Xumucane: [qb] Or, possibly, Cartman could just be eloquently and succinctly pointing out the part the US has previously played in supporting fundamentalist regimes when it has suited 'American' interests, and so where do we get off saying this one is bad where the other wasn't. [/qb] [/QUOTE]Succinct, yes. However, the next time Cartman says something eloquently will be the first. His temper is not conducive to that sort of speech, as he prefers to utilize "asshole," and similar erudite comments. However, my point was that claiming that past behavior, on the part of nations, necessarily negates OR supports the validity of future behavior is... specious at best, deliberately obtuse at worst. Many nations other than the United States have gone to war with former allies, or allied with former enemies. Such has always been the case, and is likely to always be the case as long as nations persist. It's a reducio ad absurdium argument. One might as well blame the British and Russians, who invaded Iran in 1941 and deposed [URL=http://www.iranchamber.com/history/reza_shah/reza_shah.php]Reza Shah,[/URL] who while a bit dictatorial, was also hailed as a great reformer who "gained true independence for Iran," and replaced him with his weak son and a strong parliament, which [URL=http://www.iranchamber.com/history/mmosaddeq/mohammad_mosaddeq.php]Mosaddeq[/URL] eventually rose to control with his own authoritarian style, until the coup. Anyway, as TSN kindly pointed out, He wasn't right about whose interests were being protected (In fact, the truth is that the Brits suggested the operation to the CIA), Although, given the option of protecting the interests of "the west" vs the soviet union, I'd pick the west any day, so the point sort of crumbles there, as it turns from an "The US is selfish" argument to a "Defense of Europe" scenario. [/QB][/QUOTE]
Instant Graemlins
Instant UBB Code™
What is UBB Code™?
Options
Disable Graemlins in this post.
*** Click here to review this topic. ***
© 1999-2024 Charles Capps
Powered by UBB.classic™ 6.7.3