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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Raw Cadet: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: [qb] I'm not equating Catholics with Ralieans, no....not directly. [/qb][/QUOTE]Thank you. Though perhaps we Catholics should take a cue from the Raelians and use DNA from the Shroud Of Turin to clone whomever it belonged to in order to find out once and for all. :D [QUOTE]Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: [qb] And I DO think the added ceremony and ritual the catholic church has added to the basic faith Jesus taught is silly, yes. [/qb][/QUOTE]I like to think of most ceremonies, whether religious or secular (say, royalty), as traditions, and worth maintaining, even if some of the ceremonies can be "silly (as long as the ceremony does not overshadow the meaning behind the ceremony)." [QUOTE]Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: [qb] It's not so much the core belief system that I have diffuclty fathoming (after all, who wouldnt want a paradise to go to after death?) but rather the blind obediance to scriptures that stem from a far less enlightened time and the feverent refusal to re-examine one's own beliefs and their origins. [/qb][/QUOTE]It is not all about the afterlife; believe me or not, assuming I live the rest of my life as a faithful, practicing Catholic, and it turns out there is no afterlife I would have no regrets. And let me make it absolutely clear I have always been encouraged to examine, and re-examine my own beliefs and faith. Indeed, one of the most important papal encyclicals of the twentieth century, HUMANAE VITAE, states that ultimately what is right and wrong is determined by one's own (well developed) conscience. For example, the Church teaches it is not wrong to defend oneself. Indeed, the Church suggests some persons (such as a parent) have a moral imperative do defend themselves because of those who depend on them. However, I simply do not believe I could ever feel justified in killing another person, even in complete self defense. Thus, for me, personally, it is always wrong to kill. I have no doubt many others could stand before God with no compunction about having killed someone who threatened them, or their families. [QUOTE]Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: [qb] While I'm not calling you a sheep, I do believe the the theory "the masses are asses" : that the sense of self-rightousness that comes from millions of followers thinking alike is one of- if not the most- detremental factors in trying to eliminate strife in the world[/qb][/QUOTE]I agree with your theory; look at the mass of United States citizens: against gay marriage, approved of going to war with Iraq, in favor of capital punishment, etc.--the list is endless. Groupthink is a scourge to many institutions, not just religion. And if I have come accross as self-rightous then my writing skills have been woefully inadequate, as that was not my intent; I firmly believe all men are equal in the eyes of God. [QUOTE]Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: [qb] After all, millions of Islamist fundamerntalists cant be wrong, right? ;) [/qb][/QUOTE]Oh yes, they can. All fundamentalists are "wrong," Christian, Islamic, or otherwise. Jason, I agree with many of your beefs regarding religion, and there are many blindly obedient, fervently refusing to re-examine their own beliefs people in every religion. Some religions seem to amount to little more than demanding blind obedience, where examination of beliefs and their origins is heresy: such is fundamentalism. However, as I hope I am conveying in some way, Roman Catholicism is not fundamentalist. Fundamentalists have given religion a bad name, thus, I can be overly sensitive to even a hint of an accusation that either I am-or my religion is-fundamentalist. P.S. Ask any fundamentalist Christian if Catholics are, too, and no doubt they will confirm my position (although as Bush and company often court "the (non-existant) Catholic vote," and fundamentalists always back Bush, they may not be willing to reveal there true contempt for Catholics until after the election. However, let me assure you on more than one occasion when my Catholic high school dismissed there was a pamphlet passing, sandwhich board wearing fundamentalist out on the sidewalk, assuring us Catholic high school students we are all going to hell. I assume he received a lot of replies along the lines of "see you there." [/QB][/QUOTE]
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