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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Timo: [QB] Some random comments on various posts above: The "border" mentioned in "Soldiers of the Empire could refer to the fact that the Klingons conquered Cardassian planets in "Way of the Warrior" and dug in. There would be a border between these holdings, and the Cardassian Union. Admittedly, the Dominion forces supposedly drove the Klingons out of former Cardassian space a few episodes earlier, but it would stand to reason that there would be worlds taken by the Klingons just outside the former Cardassian Union as well. These would not be connected to the rest of the Klingon Empire directly. The earlier clash between the Cardassians and the Klingons took place in Betreka nebula and lasted for 18 years. But it's not told if the said nebula actually touched the territories of either side. Both could have been fighting for expanding their holdings into previously unclaimed space, by sending long-range expeditions - so there wouldn't necessarily be a common border. The Breen/Klingon clashes could have taken place across extremely long ranges. Worf relates to the disappearance of an entire expeditionary armada during "the Second Empire" - complete "disappearance" would probably not be possible if the distances were short, and the loss would instead be known as "destruction". The Romulans can access just about anybody through just about anybody's space, by using their cloaked ships. It is implausible for any empire to erect a sensor network that could spot cloaked ships across their entire border surface of thousands of ly^2. And in more general terms, even if somebody claims an area of space doesn't mean others cannot travel through it with ease. It takes active effort to keep others away from your turf - dense sensor nets of millions of sensor drones, hundreds of starships to challenge intruders, constant patrols. Most races might not consider it worthwhile to go for hermetically sealed borders, but would instead strive to repel attacks when they reach their destination and the enemy is in a single, predictable location, clustered around the target star system. Further, some races might prefer to expand their holdings by moving gradually from system to system. Others would simply skip uninteresting systems as long as nobody was challenging their advances. The former approach would lead to compact, powerful and well defended empires, while the latter would produce huge but "porous" ones, empires that would not have "borders" in the traditional sense at all. Mintaka is indeed beyond Rigel, which suggests it is not near Vulcan or any other "UFP core world". If the vulcanoids on Mintaka were transplanted, this was probably done by an advanced race - and probably those can travel across greater distances than the "mundane" races. The Ferengi could have been spotted first near Gamma Tauri because they preferred to practice their piracy far away from their home turf, so as not to alarm their local clientele. Timo Saloniemi [/QB][/QUOTE]
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