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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mucus: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Malnurtured Snay: [qb] No, people get PO'ed because Babylon 5 is utter and complete crap. The dialogue is stunted, the story ideas are unimagined (the writing in general is what you might expect of a fanboy written fan-fic, and possibly explains why so many enjoy the show despite its total lack of creativity), and the characters are about as exciting as watching a tree rot. Some of the sets are nice, and the special effects suck, but we won't hold that against them, except to the degree that the original "Star Trek" had great stories (for the most part), and crappy special effects, but the writing cancels out the special effects, and in the case of B5, they all blow. [/qb][/QUOTE]You've got to be kidding. Your little close-minded rant is a prime example of why nobody takes deep Star Trek and Star Wars fans seriously. For some odd reason, these two shows tend to breed some sort of mutant fan where the only bar to measure TV science fiction is either ST or SW, both of which are suddenly taken as some sort of gospel where nothing can possibly go wrong. It seriously makes no sense, people who actually read science fiction have no difficulty expressing appreciation for more than one SF author. You don't see Clarke fans complaining that Asimov books never feature monoliths, Asimov fans complaining that Dune doesn't have any robots, or etc. Yet an absurd number of ST/SW fans always make the same complaints when confronted with real SF, thats what all of your complaints ultimately boil down to. Lets dissect your rationalisations shall we? Stunted dialogue: No, B5 dialogue isn't perfect, but holding up ST as a example of the holy grail of dialogue is frankly, completely laughable. Even the actors make fun of the incomprehensible technobabble. We still get classic lines like..."Maybe one day, there should be some sort of rule, some sort of Prime Directive", "Get that cheese to the sickbay" or the entirety of Nemesis. Unimagined storylines: Oh really. Lesse, Enterprise has: Hackneyed allegories, check. Derivative time travel, check. Evil Vulcans , check. Bad Ferengi episodes, check. Aliens of the week, check. Well, at least they haven't stooped to using the Borg. Oh wait. :rolleyes: B5: Hey, wait....it actually has a storyline. People, places, and history actually change throughout the show! Imagine that! Characters: Mayweather! Seriously. What about this latest ship-bound cast to you find so compelling that hasn't been covered in the last ...4. At least DS9 had an interesting range of characters. Unfortunately, the most interesting of them (Garak, Dukat, Weyoun, etc.) aren't even on the main cast. Special effects: :rolleyes: Even the producers of ST gave in and admitted their mistake of this one. They hired the same company that did B5's special effects to do DS9 effects sometime after the third season of B5. After slagging B5 for not using physical models and saying that ST would never do the same due to realism....well, we all know how that went. Show me the Akiraprise physical model, will you? It seems to me, that ultimately the main reason so many ST fans dislike B5, is because it isn't Star Trek, not due to any qualitative, provable analysis. Short attention spans probably account for the rest of it. Luckily, the rest of us can enjoy the rich (but slowly being cancelled) TV, that lies outside of ST/SW. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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