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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Guardian 2000: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim: [qb]Mark Lenard's Commander and his Centurian, the female Commander, Caithlin Dar, Ambassador Nanclus, all of the Romulan delegation from TUC, etc, had no ridges.[/QUOTE][/qb] Mmm . . . Romulan Commander . . . Oh, wait, sorry. Anywho, given ENT's retcon of the ridges to pre-TOS, the TOS stuff can be regarded in the same way the Klingons were before the major Enterprise Klingon retcon . . . that is, we're just supposed to insert a smidgen of mental compartmentalization, and basically skip it in our brains. However, I agree that TUC makes that impossible. The thinking at the time was probably that the Romulans were up to some very bad no-good when they were off being mysterious pre-2364, but the ENT use of ridges kinda kills that. Clearly the idea now is either that ridges are everpresent or that there is a very small smoothhead minority. I would be willing to roll with the first but for Spock, who seemingly didn't stand out like a sore thumb. [b]The thing is, though, that these [URL=http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/5849/17942166.jpg]Supernova Romulans[/URL] are neither of the above.[/b] [URL=http://blogs.coventrytelegraph.net/thegeekfiles/Eric%20Bana%20Nero%20montage.jpg]This image is of Eric Bana himself and as Nero[/URL]. That ain't his head. And what's up with the fat ears? [QUOTE][qb] [QUOTE][b]But again, your argument hinges on the argumentum ad ignorantium . . . specifically in this case, that no matter what changes are evident, they are based on a change that occurred between 2379 and 2387, no matter how unlikely.[/b][/QUOTE]What it hinges on is the clearly-stated intent of TPTB. [/qb][/QUOTE]Author intent is one thing, but what they actually made seems to be another. It happens. A film or TV show is not solely the work of scriptwriters . . . there are many hands in the pot. Consider this quote from Ira Behr regarding "A Call to Arms"[DSN5]: "What we'd written for that scene was, 'Lots of ships, two little ships coming to join them.' But what the effects people shot was, Lots of ships, two little ships coming, turning around, joining them, and then coming back together. It went much farther than we wanted. It told the audience that we were attacking now, like, 'Okay, we're marshaling our forces and here we are to join up,' which was never the idea. That changed the entire opening to Season 6. We'd already written the opening of the first show, and René said, 'Guys, this doesn't work, because the effects people have made the audience think that something a lot bigger has happened. We have to address that.' Anyway, we changed the opening of Season 6 to have all those ships we saw in "Call to Arms" battered and beaten and leaking plasma." [QUOTE][qb]Spock Prime told Kirk his passage through the anomaly "was only minutes to me."[/qb][/QUOTE]I'm not sure you're remembering that correctly. Nimoy has a line regarding Nero's 25 year wait being "seconds" for Supernova Spock as he continued to fall into the black hole in his uniquely-told meld story. [QUOTE][qb] I think we're supposed to take what we see at face value, but with the caveat that retconning is a continual process carried out by whoever the current caretakers of the franchise happen to be, and ultimately we must defer to that until the next bunch come along.[/QUOTE][/qb] But the conversation by the BH Enterprise crew makes it fairly clear that the old timeline is wiped away ("destinies have changed", et cetera), despite Orci's statements to the contrary. In other words, there is a contradiction (or at least some damn strong contrariness) between what was said and what was intended. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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