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[QUOTE]Originally posted by HerbShrump: [QB] I saw the movie (finally) Friday night. It's a good movie. Great special effects. A lot of fans no doubt will enjoy it (and have). However, since I practically live, eat and breathe Star Trek I can't wholeheartedly agree. I found it to be a very, very good parody of Star Trek. A close imitation but not the original. I don't mind the modern music. I don't mind the new approach to filmography or story telling. I just regret/resent the contradictions to established continuity. I'm a canonista so the movie rubs me a little wrong. And, with the success of this movie, I'm sad but sure to say that the original Trek (and all the subsequent spin-offs) is now dead. Oh, sure, the movie explained that we're in an alternate timeline now but from a production standpoint I doubt we'll see any new material set in the Prime Timeline. It'd be too confusing and just muddy the market. OK, let's start with the moment the movie began. 1. Ship design - like nothing we've ever seen in Trek. These are not the established Starfleet designed vessels. Both external and internal. 2. Kirk's OLDER brother. George Samuel Kirk. Only Jim Kirk called him "Sam." (TOS "What are Little Girls Made of?") 3. Romulans. As evident by crew reactions no one was surprised at what the Romulans on Nero's ship looked like. As opposed to TOS "Balance of Terror" which indicated no one knew what Romulans looked like at that time. 4. Star Dates - Totally different than established continuity. 5. Chekov/ages of the rest of the crew - Granted we don't meet Chekov until after Nero's ship changes the timeline but this still can only fit here. According to the original timeline Chekov was much, much younger than Kirk (over 10 years). This movie establishes all of the Trek crew are well within 10 years of each other (with the exception of McCoy). 6. Neutral Z0ne - I only saw the movie once so I can't remember exactly. Both Klingon and Romulan Neutral Zones are mentioned and something struck me odd. The Klingon Neutral Z0ne isn't established in TOS until after "Errand of Mercy" as part of the Organian Peace Treaty (OK, this is not explicitly stated but the Klingon Neutral Z0ne is not mentioned until after this episode). Granted, these don't seem like major nits. All these are events that happened at the start before Nero's ship had a chance to change history. Continuity errors AFTER Nero's ship appears (but not necessarily a result of his appearance): 1. Enterprise built in Iowa instead of San Francisco (TOS bridge dedication plaque in every episode) 2. Kirk meeting Pike and serving under him. (Menagerie establishes that Kirk only had a passing knowledge of Pike, meeting him briefly). 3. Spock's time of service under Pike. (Menagerie states Spock served under Pike for 11 years). 4. Spock/Uhura love relationship. 5. Spock's more positive relationship with his father. 6. Design of the Enterprise. Both internally and externally. Not only looks different but is also significantly larger. Continuity/Universe changes directly as a result of Nero's actions: 1. Vulcan's destruction/death of Spock's mother (changes events in TOS "Journey to Bable", "Amok Time", "Immunity Syndrome", Star Trek III, Star Trek IV, TNG's "Sarek" and other episodes where they go to Vulcan). 2. Talos IV - Apparently Pike never visits Talos IV (TOS "Cage" and "Menagerie") 3. It's possible Kirk never lives for a while on Tarsus IV and suffers under Kodos the Executioner. (TOS "Conscience of the King") This blog has an extensive study of the changes: http://popculturezoo.com/archives/2529 Some of the minor changes, cosmetic changes I can live with. It's understandable. The wholesale changes to the Enterprise, while visually stunning, aren't for me (the engineering section is just ridiculous!). It was just too many little changes contradicting too much of my beloved Star Trek that left just a slightly bad taste in my mouth. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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