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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Futurama Guy: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Malnurtured Snay: [qb] As far as the Klingons go, the first contact started Earth and the Klingons down the road to hostilities and eventually open war. I'd call that pretty disasterous, wouldn't you? [/qb][/QUOTE]AND [QUOTE]Originally posted by TSN: [qb] Another thing that should be mentioned is that time makes events seem more condensed. Most of us today probably think of World War II as an "event", despite the fact that it lasted almost six years. For all we know, when Picard referred to the Klingon "first contact", he was actually referring to a whole series of events in the early history between humans and Klingons. Especially if most of those events involved Archer (the Klaang incident, the Rura Penthe incident, and whatever might be coming up in the show), they may be thought of collectively as "Klingon first contact" 200 years in the future. [/qb][/QUOTE]I'm not sure I agree with you on two seperate accounts. One being the WWII reference, thats a biggy, where millions upon millions were killed (directly or indirectly)...that has had a huge impact on our society as a whole, that hardly serves as a thought of or even referred to as a simple 'event'. If, off the top of my head, you perchance said that the Korean War was a bit more forgotten (hence its nickname: "the forgotten war") that might better serve the point you were trying to make. Secondly. I think, or so it would seem, when Picard is discussing a 'first contact' of disasterous proportions (one so disasterous that is made SF change its first contact procedures), in the episode of the same name...he is most likely discussing the 'beam down' and say 'hi' for the first time contact kind of f.c. (that was occurring in said episode). In which case a "disasterous" first contact would be like the 'Ghorusda Disaster' (starring Tam Elbrun), where 47+ get killed. That is my thoughts when I think of the Klingon reference and "disasterous". And the reality of the entire debate is, the Klingons and Earth have had a few minor squibble-squabbles but the Klingons really haven't sent any ships to Earth yet (at least directed at Earth itself) so I still cannot see the 'disaster', especially compare to the other reference(s) of disasterous first contacts. I have never seen first contact be referred to as multiple contacts, as even the Tamarians ("Darmok") was referred to as 'first contact and then [i]subsequent[/i] encounters'. Besides, are relations between Earth and the Klingons any better than its relations with the Vulcans? Starfleet and Vulcan don't really seem to mutually get along, yet they seem to have a somewhat uneasy peace, same with the Klingons. Consider, too, the apparent personalities of the Vulcans and the Klingons to the types of policital relations between the two powers (towards Earth), their situations are nearly the same, especially if you take into account the 90 years of marinating the Vulcans have had on Earth, you'd think by now they would be best buddies, but they are not. Due to that fact, does that not mean the Vulcan/Earth first contact is as equally disasterous as the Klingon/Earth (if you want to count a first contact as a span of events), when all that is going on is a bunch of head-butting? [/QB][/QUOTE]
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