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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Nim: [QB] [QUOTE]Yesterday's Enterprise BoP:s /../ remain an embarassment to the franchise[/QUOTE]Wow, I think all of 3 viewers cared about that in the original airing. It was another timeline of utter war, so there. If anything, "Yesterday's Enterprise" is the perfect precedent to legitimize scaling up BoP:s again. Not that they necessarily will. Anyway, I never mentioned BoP sizes in my previous post, that was projection on your part. When it comes to new ships in new Trek-movies, I care about visual style, sound effects and soundscape, warp animation, weapons, interiors, etc. Focusing on how big an arbitrary ship is in comparison to another arbitrary ship from a movie 30 years ago is not on the top of my list. Especially not since about every Trek episode ever has misrepresented "100 000 kilometers" as being "ten ship-lengths away". "Cloverprise" is cute, but I don't think it's gonna work any better than "Benghazi-Gate". And the Constitution class was not up-scaled without sense, Alex Jaeger explains it clearly: [i]"Once we got the ship built and started putting it in environments, it felt too small. The shuttle bay gave us a clear relative scale — shuttlecraft initially appeared much bigger than we had imagined — so we bumped up the Enterprise scale, which gave her a grander feel and allowed us to include more detail."[/i] They're breaking with tradition for the sake of cinematography. Works for me. On another note, I just rewatched ST:Insurrection, and had forgotten what a piece of crap that movie was. The story was ok on the face of it, if a bit small-fry, but the crew-scenes were interminably awkward, the Briar battles were rubbish and the S'ona were weak third-rate antagonists. That's when I realized that apart from 2, 3, 6, and 8, the Trek movies are subpar when viewed with the standards used on other movies. First movie was slow and anemic, 4 and 5 felt frivolous and inconsequential, Generations was a jumbled mess hinging on an idiotic macguffin (the Nexus), Insurrection was an expensive two-part episode, and Nemesis was a death rattle. I really like the battles in ST:X, some of the best since TWoK, and Tom Hardy does try his hardest with what he's given (and after his success with Bane and all his other recent movies, some people might want to rewatch it just to see him), but yeah, it didn't have the immediate threat of First Contact, just a potential threat, and the Remans were unnecessary and shallow, where renegade Romulans would've been more logical and less Nosferatuish. When I thought further I realized that even the good ST-movies are occasionally crappy or camp: TWoK-Scotty carrying his dying crewman to the bridge instead of sickbay for drama-points, Kruge conveniently getting a stone pillar raising under him so he can lunge at Kirk (at no group viewing I've done has that not gotten a laugh), Chang's obsession with the Original Klingon Shakespeare, Kirk's Superman-save of the President followed by standing ovation, Troi having a career-first lapse of judgement and getting shitfaced on whisky. We tend to accept those things on the whole, take the good with the bad and view the old movies with a very forgiving eye, and that's ok, but let's be realistic, Trek has always been camp entertainment with an underlining of futuristic utopia, even in TOS (Gorn, Mudd), so the new movies have a much lower bar to clear than some make it out to be. I agree ST:2009 had faults, but it was neither a snooze fest nor over-restrained like ST:1, which in some ways is the movie most similar to ST:2009 in scope and framework. If nothing else, the trailer for the upcoming sequel makes it clear they're going to keep focusing on action and adventure, something Picard's crew ultimately tried and failed at, and I think the new crew does a better job with it. But I have no idea how the new movie will be and withhold judgement. After all, I liked Casino Royale and disliked Quantum of Solace. Skyfall was ok, except for the parliament scene. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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