It's probably the Excelsior. They might have made the model for the first movie but didn't use it until this one.
Cool, I haven't noticed that ship before in this shot. Your assumption sounds reasonable, but we can never be sure since the ship is to far away for identification...
quote:Originally posted by Dukhat:
Also, I was wrong about the Newton-type with new nacelles. The nacelles are the same, they just glow blue now instead of the original red.
Where is this 'red' comming from? I found no reference of red glowing bussard collectors in any picutre of the first Star Trek movie. Indeed there is no other good picture of a Newton-type ship from that angle available. Mayby the bussard colectors are supposed to be blue? By the way, I think this ship is the NCC-0718 as well. The only other ship (also a Newton-tpye) was not docked to the space station when the Enterprise departed.
Registered: Oct 2002
| IP: Logged
The Kelvin's Bussard is glowing red in this promotional picture from the last movie. I don't remember whether it glowed red in the film.
-------------------- "A film made in 2008 isn't going to look like a TV series from 1966 if it wants to make any money. As long as the characters act the same way, and the spirit of the story remains the same then it's "real" Star Trek. Everything else is window dressing." -StCoop
Registered: Jun 2000
| IP: Logged
quote:Originally posted by Malnurtured Snay: I dunno ... the warp effect of the TOS movies (the rainbow effect) doesn't look like it did in TOS or TNG/DS9/VOY, but we all think that's "our" warp; and was the trip from the border of the Klingon Neutral Zone to Earth really take any longer than the trip from the Romulan Neutral Zone to Earth in First Contact?
True, but you can fudge that one a bit. Although I can't remember... had the battle already started before the Enterprise-E headed for Earth?
Yes, the battle was going poorly, that's why they left their station
-------------------- "This is why you people think I'm so unknowable. You don't listen!" - God, "God, the Devil and Bob"
Registered: Mar 1999
| IP: Logged
Cartman
just made by the Presbyterian Church
Member # 256
posted
waiting for RLM's review was so worth it
Registered: Nov 1999
| IP: Logged
posted
Isn´t that image by Tobias Richter, a gifted Cgi-artist, but not actually involved in special effects for the movie? That might explain the mistakenly red colour?
-------------------- "The Starships of the Federation are the physical, tangible manifestations of Humanity´s stubborn insistence that life does indeed mean something." Spock to Leonard McCoy in "Final Frontier"
Registered: Jan 2000
| IP: Logged
posted
No, that image was from an official Paramount promotional poster. Richter's CGI models of the Kelvin and her kitbashes had a yellow glow from the collectors.
-------------------- "A film made in 2008 isn't going to look like a TV series from 1966 if it wants to make any money. As long as the characters act the same way, and the spirit of the story remains the same then it's "real" Star Trek. Everything else is window dressing." -StCoop
Registered: Jun 2000
| IP: Logged
posted
Y'know -- one thing that COULD explain the Enterprise's speed --
What if Scotty, post-Relics, somehow figured out how to make transwarp speed & transport possible? Then, when Spock gave Scotty his own transwarp equation in Star Trek 2009, alternate Scotty & Starfleet were able to reverse engineer a transwarp engine out of it?
Just speculating.
Registered: Sep 2000
| IP: Logged
posted
My problem with it is that it's TOO advanced. It should shake up the universe way more than we've seen. The Genesis Device in TWOK was also like that, but it was then shown to be unusable in TSFS (if you assume that the problems were insummoutable, and maybe the Federation agreed not to carry on developing itto appease the Klingons).
Super-fast transporters that can beam you from one homeworld to another, and that can also possibly make warp drive several billion times faster than we've seen before? That's too much.
We can take the First Contact scene as a mistake, somehow. The Enterprise-E is not supposed to be that fast. But it seems that the new Enterprise IS supposed to be that fast.
Registered: Mar 1999
| IP: Logged
posted
Um, they never say or show that it took ten minutes to Kronos, it's not like you saw topped-off Latte glasses descending to bottom slurp within the span of the transitional scenes.
If anything, blame the music composer who stayed with the same background mull from Earth to Kronos, making the span feel short (can't remember if this was the case but I assume so).
Registered: Aug 1999
| IP: Logged
posted
I got the impression the Enterprise jumped to warp, the Vengence followed and then immediately shot them down. Otherwise they were at warp for days, and the Vengeance only attacked after they'd reached Earth ans Kirk had his "they can't get us at warp" speech.
Registered: Mar 1999
| IP: Logged
posted
Oh, I thought we were talking about the pre-Khan earth-kronos journey. I don't recall the details of the scene you mean.
Registered: Aug 1999
| IP: Logged
posted
So isn't Qo'noS established as being only 4 or so days away from Earth in Enterprise's pilot? This also seems ridiculously close to me and I was bothered by the speed with which JJ-prise arrived at and retreated from what was (at least) called the edge of Klingon space.
Registered: Sep 2000
| IP: Logged
posted
Yeah, when it comes to "warp is way the hell too fast", that ship (ha) sailed long ago. Defiant was easily able to get back to Earth from the boondocks in little time, E-nil and E-A were able to cross most of the galaxy in little time, as was NX-01. If anything, the slower warp speeds evidenced by Voyager are the anomaly.
-------------------- "This is why you people think I'm so unknowable. You don't listen!" - God, "God, the Devil and Bob"
Registered: Mar 1999
| IP: Logged
posted
I dunno. I can ignore Star Trek V as saying that "God" is allowing them somehow. And I've always thought the "warp eddies" theory where there are some parts of space where warp is much faster was a nice way around the varying speed issues.
And I never had an issue with the 4 days from Earth to Qo'noS in Enterprise. But the impression that it only takes 5 minutes? That's a bit too much.
(My excuse for First Contact is that I never noticed it. I can't really explain that either.)
-------------------- Yes, you're despicable, and... and picable... and... and you're definitely, definitely despicable. How a person can get so despicable in one lifetime is beyond me. It isn't as though I haven't met a lot of people. Goodness knows it isn't that. It isn't just that... it isn't... it's... it's despicable.
Registered: Mar 1999
| IP: Logged
posted
I do think there's some time mismatches in First Contact... Data starts to say they could be to the fleet assembly point in three hours. However, it was specifically stated that the fleet was meeting in the Typhon sector, AWAY from Earth, relatively near the border of the Federation. That strongly suggests a running battle from where they first met the Borg all the way to Earth. How much time that takes is up for debate, but it makes sense to me.
-------------------- “Those people who think they know everything are a great annoyance to those of us who do.” — Isaac Asimov Star Trek Minutiae | Memory Alpha
Registered: Nov 2000
| IP: Logged
Printer-friendly view of this topic
