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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Timo: [QB] Dukhat's scheme has three shortcomings at the moment: 1) The connection between the six names and Operation Retrieve remains vague. Why couldn't one of those ships be, say, USS Oberth or USS John Muir? Which source connects just these six with OR? Trimble herself? 2) Six ships are not sufficient to account for three Constitution silhouettes, three small silhouettes and one Excelsior silhouette. (But is the Excelsior an Excelsior? It could be another Connie, at the resolution of those 'caps.) 3) The Endeavour is "generally considered" to be a Constitution, and this has a longer fan history than the idea that the Eagle is a Constitution. Okuda himself says the Endeavour is a Connie. I would very much like the Eagle to be a non-Constitution. However, I fear that the connection does come from this very chart that shows a silhouette coupled with a registry and a name. I hope it's just a mistake by Okuda - Dukhat's arguments about name and registry length seem to prove that the Eagle=Connie thing isn't from the second page of the charts. But it could still be from the first page... And no, I don't really believe in the placeholder idea here when it's clear that there are at least two and possibly three types of silhouettes in use on these charts. Sure, it's possible that a Constitution stands for all ships from Miranda to Constellation, an Oberth for all small ships, and an Excelsior for all vessels larger than the Constitutions. But it's also possible that the chart indeed shows the true classes in detail: it doesn't sound logical to have different symbols for the roughly similar Constitution-sized and Excelsior-sized ships, and then not differentiate more carefully between the small ship types. Timo Saloniemi [/QB][/QUOTE]
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