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I�m updating my shiplist with canon information only, & I ran across a couple of questions. First, there was the infamous �Operation Retrieve� chart, or another chart with ship info, from ST:VI. These are the ships I believe were written on the chart:
Was this chart actually seen in the movie? Did any of these ships have a class designation? Does anyone have even a small screencap of this chart?
Then, I found the U.S.S. Essex NCC-1697 (not the Daedalus class ship), and the U.S.S. Kongo NCC-1710, both listed as Constitution class ships. Does anyone know the source for this ship information?
Third, I had a question about the runabouts. Besides the first three which debuted in �Emissary,� there were the: Orinoco NCC-72905 Mekong NCC-72917 Rubicon NCC-72936 Shenandoah NCC-73024 Volga NCC-73196 unknown NCC-73918 Yukon NCC-74602 Yellowstone NX-74751
My question is, were any of these registries actually shown on the runabouts? Were there any runabouts that only existed as stock footage?
Finally, my last question concerns the U.S.S. Sao Paulo: Were there ever shots of the ship with this name, or did the ship totally consist of Defiant stock footage?
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Yes, of course. On the Enterprise-A bridge displays. And some ships were on the Operation Retrieve Chart. We got the ship from Bjo Trimble's Concordance and Kyle asked Ms. Trimble if she has pictures of these displays. But unfortunately she's busy with conventions at the moment.
quote:Did any of these ships have a class designation?
AFAIK no.
quote:Does anyone have even a small screencap of this chart?
Well, I wasn't able to spot these displays but if anyone can specify a scene, I'll make a screenshot of it.
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quote:USS Eagle: I think someone stated that she was a refitted Connie, if so then she has basically the same story as the Constellation NCC-1017.
Yes, the Operation Retrieve Chart showed refitted Connie silhouettes. But I believe they were just placeholders (like the Potemkin having an Ambassador-silhouette but being an Excelsior-class vessel). On Constitution below 1700 is enough.
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quote:Originally posted by Dukhat: Then, I found the U.S.S. Essex NCC-1697 (not the Daedalus class ship), and the U.S.S. Kongo NCC-1710, both listed as Constitution class ships. Does anyone know the source for this ship information?
Encyclopedia. Both. Version 3. Maybe 2, too.
quote: Third, I had a question about the runabouts. Besides the first three which debuted in �Emissary,� there were the: Orinoco NCC-72905 Mekong NCC-72917 Rubicon NCC-72936 Shenandoah NCC-73024 Volga NCC-73196 unknown NCC-73918 Yukon NCC-74602 Yellowstone NX-74751
My question is, were any of these registries actually shown on the runabouts? Were there any runabouts that only existed as stock footage?
The Danube, from the DS9TM. The unnamed Runabout from TNG. And Gander. Hope I forgot none.
quote: Finally, my last question concerns the U.S.S. Sao Paulo: Were there ever shots of the ship with this name, or did the ship totally consist of Defiant stock footage?
Just stock footage.
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Springfield must be a Soyuz Class with a registry lower than Constellation but higher than the Bozeman.
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Thanks everyone for your replies. Now, the responses:
quote:Yes, of course. On the Enterprise-A bridge displays. And some ships were on the Operation Retrieve Chart.
If these names were seen in the movie, then I'll add them to my list. As far as the Eagle goes, I'll list its class as unknown because I agree with Spike that the silhouette was just a placeholder. However, I'll list the Oberth & the Constellation as the class ships, as I believe they were intended to be. The only question is the U.S.S. Whorfin. Is it a class ship? Is there any canon info stating that the El-Aurian transports were "Whorfin-class," or that the two should be synonymous?
quote:Encyclopedia. Both. Version 3. Maybe 2, too.
You must have a different Encyclopedia than I have, because none of mine showed any information at all about the Kongo or the Connie Essex (and I have all three versions).
quote:The Danube, from the DS9TM. The unnamed Runabout from TNG. And Gander. Hope I forgot none.
I'm not using any info from written sources, so the Danube won't be on the list. But, thanks for the TNG runabout; I'd forgotten about that one. Did it have a registry number? Also, I did have the Gander; just forgot to list it.
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I believe Okuda did make graphics for the E-B's Science Officer's (the woman other than Demora) display stating the ships names as SS Lakul and SS Robert Fox both as Whorfin class. I believe he even added reg numbers for the ships. I think I read somewhere that Okuda did intend for these two ships to be the same class as the USS Whorfin and that the Whorfin was the class ship. Could be wrong though.
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Looking at my Star Trek VI DVD, the Operation: Retrieve section goes like this:
Page 1: 3 Constitution class starships, unsure if there is info printed alongside them or not (too small to read)
Page 2: 3 starships shown flying towards Rura Pentha. 1 is a Constitution, 1 is possibly an Excelsior, and the other is unknown, it's smaller then the other two. I would guess Miranda, but it looks too small to even be that. It could also be Oberth.
Beside each of these three ships is a name and registry number. The small ship has a short name and even shorter registry number then the rest. I would take a stab at this being the USS Oberth NCC-602. Both the other two ships have long names and 4-digit registry numbers.
In the upper right is a top view of a Constitution class with another long name and 4-digit registry number. Below that are top views of two small ships similar to the one mentioned above. One has the same short name and registry, the other has a longer name and 4-digit registry.
Page 3: No ships
As for the bridge screen on the Enterprise, from what I can make out on it, it does indeed list classes. I can clearly see where the entry for the USS Constellation is, since it has the longest name and is the only registry with an NX.
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quote:The only question is the U.S.S. Whorfin. Is it a class ship?
The ships in "Generations" didn't look like Starfleet ships.
quote:You must have a different Encyclopedia than I have, because none of mine showed any information at all about the Kongo or the Connie Essex (and I have all three versions).
The Essex is mentioned in the E3's "Constitution-class" entry.
quote:I'm not using any info from written sources, so the Danube won't be on the list.
Since "Danube-class" was mentioned onscreen, would'nt it be logical to assume that a USS Danube exists?
quote:If you have a DVD player in your pc, could you please make some screenshots.
Does anyone have a timeindex for the bridge displays?
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Essex is from the Constitution-index, as Spike said (thanks for the images... ), but I didn't find Kongo. Strange, since I remember the ship from different sources, even before the information about West's chart was available. For example, the model kit of the original Constitution included decals for all ships, including the Kongo. I think they even gave the registry for the ship (as well as for the others, starting with 1700 - 1711, and the 1017).
Dat: We could ask him.
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AFAIK the Kongo was mentioned in "The Making of ST", "Starfleet Technical Manual" and according to the TUC-display the Kongo was on Neutral Zone Patrol.
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), but I didn't find Kongo. Strange, since I remember the ship from different sources, even before the information about West's chart was available. For example, the model kit of the original Constitution included decals for all ships, including the Kongo. I think they even gave the registry for the ship (as well as for the others, starting with 1700 - 1711, and the 1017).
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