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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Dukhat: [QB] [QUOTE] I said what? I don't remember making any statement concerning the Operation: Retrieve chart.[/QUOTE]Oops. My bad. [QUOTE] And how do you know those 6 ships were the ones on the chart?[/QUOTE]I don�t know that for a fact. Perhaps you guys missed it when I said �All of this, of course, is just speculation on my part, based on the information presented.� [QUOTE] The connection between the six names and Operation Retrieve remains vague. Why couldn't one of those ships be, say, USS Oberth or USS John Muir? Which source connects just these six with OR? Trimble herself?[/QUOTE]As stated above, I was going by the information so far presented to me. And as far as I know, all of it might be wrong. My information stated that the six ships used in Operation Retrieve were the Scovil, the Endeavor, the Springfield, the Challenger, the Ahwahnee, and the Eagle. I got that information from Reverend�s original shiplist, which I�ve heretofore modified. I don�t know where he got his information from. And I didn�t know about the Potemkin. [QUOTE] Six ships are not sufficient to account for three Constitution silhouettes, three small silhouettes and one Excelsior silhouette. (But is the Excelsior an Excelsior? It could be another Connie, at the resolution of those 'caps.)[/QUOTE]Whoa, hold on. Let�s get the numbers right. On page two of the chart, three Constitution silhouettes are shown. However, as far as I can see, no names or registry numbers appear next to them, so these probably don�t represent any specific ships. It�s the third page that�s interesting, because at least three distinctly different silhouettes are shown. We have two Connies, an Excelsior (or at least that�s what it looks like to me), and three smaller silhouettes whose saucer circles are much smaller than the others. SIX ships total, with six names & registry numbers to match. [QUOTE] The Endeavour is "generally considered" to be a Constitution, and this has a longer fan history than the idea that the Eagle is a Constitution. Okuda himself says the Endeavour is a Connie.[/QUOTE]Well, Okuda also says that the Biko is an Olympic when it's very clearly an Oberth. But you�re probably right about this. [QUOTE] I would very much like the Eagle to be a non-Constitution. However, I fear that the connection does come from this very chart that shows a silhouette coupled with a registry and a name.[/QUOTE]But that�s what I�ve been saying. IF the Eagle is one of the ships involved in OR, and IF it is represented on this chart, then my argument was that it COULDN�T be a Connie, because its short name doesn�t jibe with the names of the larger ships on the chart. Keep in mind that all I�m doing is speculating. Until we see the actual chart up close, no one will have a definitive answer. The only thing I�m reasonably sure of is that �John Muir� probably wasn�t one of the ships, if only because I don�t see any break in any of the ship names. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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