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[QUOTE]Originally posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Peregrinus: [qb] The [i]Defiant[/i]'s 1764 registry is based on internal memos.[/qb][/QUOTE]Ooh...what sort of "internal memos"? Is this something you've had access to or just heard about it second hand? Is there any other useful info on registries, names, or classes that could be gleaned from such sources? [QUOTE][b]In my not-remotely-humble opinion, the notion of any of the 16xx and the lone 18xx registry on the "Court Martial" chart are [i]Constitution[/i]-class ships is utter nonsense. The chart was created by Matt Jeffries using his personal roughed-out system of how registries are assigned. They are all Heavy Cruisers -- which is what "Starship" means in that context -- but only the 17xx registries are [i]Constitution[/i]s, for reasons laid out in pieces in several interviews with Jeffries.[/b][/QUOTE]I agree with what you're saying, and am well acquainted with Mr. Jefferies' intended registry system. Unfortunately, as you are no doubt aware, that registry system never really came to fruition, and is now most certainly quite defunct. (That's one thing you [i]can[/i] blame Franz Joseph for to a great extent, although it was actually "The Doomsday Machine" that cast the first wrench into the works.) There is absolutely no way that Jefferies' proposed system can be applied given what we've seen in canon Trek in the ensuing 30 years. A pity, to be sure, but there's no use crying over spilt milk... :( [QUOTE][b]The [i]Merrimack[/i] is referenced at NCC-1715 in TMP, so that's canon.[/b][/QUOTE]Yes, but even while it would fit nicely into the range, there's no reason to assume it is a Connie. In fact, it was lifted directly from FJ's [i]Star Fleet Technical Manual[/i], which lists the ship as a [i]Bonhomme Richard[/i]-class vessel. (Which, arguably, [i]could[/i] be a variant of the [i]Constitution[/i]-class, but isn't necessarily---and I am of the utmost reluctance to accept the fandom notion of subclasses or ships being "upgraded" to new classes...[ick!].) [QUOTE][b]And as for the Operation: Retrieve displays, they are all [i]Enterprise[/i]-class silhouettes orientated the same direction. That, coupled with the [i]Excelsior[/i]-class silhouettes all orientated the same direction on the [i]Enterprise[/i]-B's helm (or was it navigation?) board, leads me to believe it is a generic position marker for ships with no regard to class.[/b][/QUOTE]Unfortunately this is not possible. I don't know how you're seeing them all as [i]Constitution[/i]-class refit ( :p :p :p :p :p :p ) silhouttes, as there are clearly three---or two, if for some mysterious reason the two smaller ones are the same---distinct types shown. You should check out the pics again. [QUOTE][b]Far too much of what's come since the late '80s is based on the worst speculation.[/QUOTE][/b] Agreed. [QUOTE][b] I wince at the "exhaustively researched" line on the Encyclopedia, when Mike still uses his half-baked registry system for the TOS-era ships, rather than [i][b]maybe[/b][/i] tracking down Matt Jeffries and talking to him like Herb and Fern did for the Star Trek Sketchbook.[/b][/QUOTE]Agreed...sort of. You can't undo what TNG showed with registry numbers---that they are, at most, assigned in a roughly sequential order without regard to class or vessel type. One can't very well claim (IMO) that it was somehow different in the TOS era, even if the original intent at the time the first series was being produced was just that. There comes a point (and it was reached long, long ago) when it becomes impossible to try to uphold/reconcile something that is universally ignored by all the other series. But you're right in that it would have been much better if that point had never been arrived at. -[b]MMoM[/b] :D [/QB][/QUOTE]
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