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[QUOTE]Originally posted by CaptainMike: [QB] TNG started in 2364, as evidenced by "The Neutral Zone" and the fact that Okuda maintains that his interpretation of the stardate systems works so that "Encounter at Farpoint" was within the same year as "The Neural Zone".. keep in mind, it is this S1 TNG data point which is retroactively skewing the TOS movie dates.. basically, they knew that TWOK was shortly after 2283, based on the infamous Ale joke, they also knew that TWOK had to be as early as possible, to explain the '15 years' line.. but because the 2364 date was devised in an incorrect manner, they dragged TVH, TSFS and TWOK forward accordingly. Note that if the date had not been established in "The Neutral Zone", that fifteen years after "Space Seed" would place TWOK in 2281, and I would tentatively say 2283 or 4 just to make the Ale joke work right (for a '15 year' dialogue reference, i'm willing to give 16-17, because when i say fifteen years i round and generalize like that), that they put a date on it to show it had been aged a little over a year, and 'taken a little while to ferment'.. ha ha.. TSFS would take place within the same year since it was only a few days out from Earth where they faced Khan, and i'm sure that the personnell transfers of Reliant's crew and the Grissom rendezvous, and the limp home on low engines couldnt have taken much more than a month or two, given that they were only a little cruise out of Earth in the first place. TVH would be within the same year or in the next year, being 6 months after TSFS.. so the 'correct' interpretation would've/could've looked something like this (2264)2265-2270 - Five Year Mission 2283 - Wrath of Khan (FYM+15), The Search for Spock (TWOK+1-2mo) 2284 - The Voyage Home (TWOK+6mo) 2362 - TNG S1 (TVH+78) but of course, they couldnt use this, because the TNG date was established early on as 2364, so they felt it necessary to abide by that and place TVH in 2286. (which i don't know why they so closely stuck to the '78yr' reference.. it wasnt even filmed canon, it was background info, and it wasn't even specific.. 78 years after the time of Kirk.. could have meant 78 years after TOS S1, or it couldve meant 78 years after his last command in TUC) so now we are stuck with TWOK being way too late, and the rest of the movies following suit... just a quick note, theoretically is that why they 'bumped' the FYM forward with the Q2 reference.. they knew they put too much time between TOS and TWOK and are now trying to fix it by making TOS to have happened later? BTW, I'm noticing a lot more fandom references that more correctly interpreted the timespan before TWOK.. i was reading the Peter David "Retrospect" comic, which shows Peter Preston's funeral after TWOK, then cuts to 18 months before TMP with the segue '11 years earlier'.. obviously the pre-Okuda license writers didnt feel it necessary to fuck up the dates as much as Okuda did.. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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